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		<title>Friday Connections 27-11-09</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<img src="http://gorigirl.com/friday-connections-27-11-09" alt="" title="Creative Independence" width="520" height="210" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1483" />
Friday Connections: a time when I give links and a bit of commentary to things I'd blog about if I had the time. This week the categories are mixed families, cross-cultural food, and gender inequality issues in India (with a really sweet video).]]></description>
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<h6>Photo Credit: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/nattu/895220635/">nattu</a></h6>
<p>Friday Connections: a time when I give links and a bit of commentary to things I&#8217;d blog about if I had the time. This week the categories are mixed families, cross-cultural food, and gender inequality issues in India (with a really sweet video).</p>
<h3>Mixed Families and the Larger Community</h3>
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<li><a href="http://www.mixedandhappy.blogspot.com/">Mixed and Happy (.com)</a><br />
After hearing about <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/15/interracial-couple-denied_n_322784.html">the  Louisiana judge who refused to marry an interracial couple</a> &#8211; on the grounds that  mixed couples make unhappy families and unhappy children &#8211; Suzy Richardson decided to combat such ignorant racist thinking in a manner much more gracious and classy way than <strong>I</strong> ever could. She&#8217;s collecting photographs of happy interracial families to send to the now-ex judge as a Christmas present. They&#8217;re also posted on her blog for the project. If you&#8217;re comfortable submitting your photographs, I encourage you help her meet her goal of 100 families by the 15th &#8211; I believe there&#8217;s 15 to go.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/6475543/Its-a-wonderful-mixed-up-world.html">It&#8217;s a wonderful, mixed up world</a><br />
Dr. Aarathi Prasad discusses the science behind the possibility of mixed children being healthier or better looking than the average population. For more on the genetic take on &#8220;interbreeding&#8221; see <a href="http://">here</a> or <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=interracial+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fscienceblogs.com%2Fgnxp%2F&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a">here</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.hyphenmagazine.com/blog/2009/04/earlier-this-week-racialicious.html">The Great Melting Pot: &#8220;Edging&#8221; Us out with Interracial Families</a><br />
In part of the lovely interconnectivity of the internet, Catherine of Hyphen magazine responds to a Racialious blogger responding to a New York Times article of an <strong>incredibly </strong>unaware an unreflective white woman raising a mixed-race child. Good stuff for thought on the way some value whiteness and white culture (while liking an &#8220;exotic look&#8221;).</li>
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<h3>Cross-Cultural Food Issues</h3>
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<li><a href="http://www.cognitionandculture.net/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=547:some-like-it-hot&amp;catid=34:ophelias-blog&amp;Itemid=34">Some Like It Hot</a><br />
A really fascinating article on how different cultures think &#8211; and talk about &#8211; food, especially what English speakers refer to as &#8220;hot&#8221; food. Hindi speakers, of course, refer to it with the word &#8220;masala&#8221;, and Germans talk about food being &#8220;scharf&#8221; aka sharp. Also of interest is an earlier blog post at the same site asking <a href="http://www.cognitionandculture.net/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=19:is-a-universal-michelin-guide-possible&amp;catid=37:nicolas&amp;Itemid=34">Is a universal Michelin guide possible?</a></li>
<li><a href="http://indianties.blogspot.com/2009/11/hajmola-lovehate-relationship.html">Hajmola: A Love/Hate Relationship</a><br />
Continuing on the topic of cultural idiosyncrasies in food, Heather of IndianTies has a post wondering if the Indian &#8220;candy&#8221; of Hajmola can ever be appreciated by someone who didn&#8217;t grow up with it. (I&#8217;m in the &#8220;this is so totally <strong>not</strong> a candy&#8221; camp.)</li>
<li><a href="http://americanepali.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/cranberries-and-thanksgiving-dinner/">Cranberries and Thanksgiving Dinner</a><br />
C at American-Nepali Household held Thanksgiving dinner with some of her Nepalese friends &#8211; and is a bit sad that they would rather have Nepalese substitutes for traditional Thanksgiving dishes rather than the originials. She&#8217;s still bringing the traditional can of cranberry sauce, though!</li>
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<h3>(Mostly) Negative Gender Issues in India</h3>
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<li><a href="http://heartcrossings.blogspot.com/2009/11/part-liberated-woman.html">Part-Liberated Woman</a><br />
Heartcrossings blogs about the difficulty of being an expat Indian woman considering a move back home &#8211; where she feels she won&#8217;t have the same freedom of existence that she &#8211; and her young daughter &#8211; have in the Western world.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.whiteindianhousewife.com/2009/11/answers-to-questions-about-my-life-in-india-2/">Answeres to Questions about My Life in India</a><br />
Sharell at White Indian Housewife answers some questions her readers have about her experiences living in India. This set of questions is regarding the different way Indian men and women seem to respond to her.</li>
<li><a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-at-bottom-in-man-woman-equality-index-World-Economic-Forum/articleshow/5212464.cms">India Among the Worst in Man-Woman Equality</a><br />
India was ranked 114 out of 134 countries in man-woman equality, according to the World Economic Forum. You can find <a href="http://www.weforum.org/en/initiatives/gcp/Gender%20Gap/index.htm">the entire report here</a>. The summary reports regarding South Asia that</li>
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<blockquote><p>While Bangladesh, India and Pakistan perform very poorly on the economic, education and health subindexes, their overall scores are partially bolstered by relatively good performances on political empowerment (Bangladesh ranks 17th, India 21st and Pakistan 43rd on this subindex). Relative to their own performances in 2006, Bangladesh, Iran and Pakistan register small increases in scores, while India’s sex ratio at birth fell to 0.89 girls for every boy, causing its overall score to decrease.</p></blockquote>
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<li><a href="http://chrisblattman.com/2009/11/09/did-affirmative-action-work-for-indian-women/">Did affirmative action work for Indian women?</a><br />
In positive news, however, it looks like using affirmative action &#8211; i.e. quotas &#8211; requiring certain Indian districts to elect women leaders has led to an increase in the chances of a woman leader being elected in the same district <em>after</em> the quota ended. At least so far.</li>
<li>Finally, I leave you with this heart-warming video about young, articulate women getting the chance to become Hindu priests:</li>
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		<title>An Office Diwali Celebration</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 04:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, Diwali. Fesitval of lights. A celebration of good triumphing over evil. A time to bemuse your boss and win free dessert from your local Indian buffet. Right?

As I've mentioned previously, <a title="Cross Cultural Connections" href="http://gorigirl.com/cross-cultural-connections">I happen to work in a very diverse office</a> - and with a recent switch in teams, I now report to a South Indian manager. He's a great boss, but, occasionally, well, I can't help myself - I'll mention a Hindu tradition or a Bollywood film just to see his reaction. You see, despite the fact that he knows I'm married to an Indian, he's always so <em>surprised</em> when I show any knowledge of Indian culture. Shocked, almost.

So, of course, to celebrate Diwali this year I decided to wear a sari to work.]]></description>
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<p>Ah, Diwali. Festival of lights. A celebration of good triumphing over evil. A time to bemuse your boss and win free dessert from your local Indian buffet. &#8230;right?</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve mentioned previously, <a title="Cross Cultural Connections" href="http://gorigirl.com/cross-cultural-connections">I happen to work in a very diverse office</a> &#8211; and with a recent switch in teams, I now report to a South Indian manager. He&#8217;s a great boss, but, occasionally, well, I can&#8217;t help myself &#8211; I&#8217;ll mention a Hindu tradition or a Bollywood film just to see his reaction. You see, despite the fact that he knows I&#8217;m married to an Indian, he&#8217;s always so <em>surprised</em> when I show any knowledge of Indian culture. Shocked, almost.</p>
<p>So, of course, to celebrate Diwali this year I decided to wear a sari to work.</p>
<p>To be more specific, a female Indian coworker and I <span style="text-decoration: line-through;"> coerced</span> convinced the junior staff on our team to wear Indian dress to the office on Friday. My coworker had one sari from a family wedding to wear, and I loaned out saris and kurtas to everyone else. Between the two of us, we were able to get everyone wrapped up, pinned up, and decked out in bangles before our boss arrived. The look on his face was, let us say, well worth the trouble.</p>
<div id="attachment_1122" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 530px"><img class="size-full wp-image-1122" title="Two white women, an Indian, and a South Korean walk to Jaipur in saris..." src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Jaipur-with-LRSJ.jpg" alt="I'm on the right" width="520" height="598" /><p class="wp-caption-text">I&#39;m on the right</p></div>
<p>Everyone looked pretty great in their saris, no?</p>
<p>For lunch, the group went out to the closest Indian buffet, <em>Jaipur</em>, where we snapped the photograph above. The staff there was also quite surprised seeing their regular customers arrive in saris and kurtas &#8211; surprised &amp; appreciative.  Despite the fact that it was a buffet lunch, they brought out a surprise dish of Indian desserts just for our group at the end of our meal:</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1125" title="Gajar Ka Halwa, Ras Gulla, and Gulab Jamun dessert" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Freebie1.jpg" alt="Gajar Ka Halwa, Ras Gulla, and Gulab Jamun dessert" width="520" height="173" />It was clear that the kitchen had taken some time to create the dish, which featured <a title="Carrot Halwa" href="http://www.kitchentantra.com/2009/05/carrot-halwa.html">Gajar Ka Halwa</a>, <a title="Ras Gulla" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasgulla">Ras Gulla</a>, and <a title="Galab Jamun" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulab_jamun">Gulab Jamun</a> with a garnish of shredded coconut and cherries. Like every other Indian dessert I have had, it was delicious, if extraordinarily sweet. After lunch we all shuffled back to the office before falling into the typical post-<em>Jaipur</em> sugar coma.</p>
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<p>For anyone wondering, on Diwali proper (i.e. Saturday), Aditya, myself, and the Indian coworker pictured above woke up crazy early to get to <a href="http://www.rajdhanimandir.org/">a local Hindu temple</a> in time for the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aarti">morning aarti</a>. It was very quiet there &#8211; I think the rain and near-freezing temperatures kept everyone else away. Afterwards we retreated from the cold to Starbucks for breakfast, and then, in the spirit of combining American holiday consumerism with a Diwali custom, we went shopping for some new clothes. And that was how the Gori Girl household celebrated Diwali this year.</p>
<p>(Sunday we returned to <em>my</em> roots, and celebrated an American football Sunday with Vietnamese seafood hotpot and German boardgames at a friend&#8217;s house. All in all, a pretty awesome weekend.)<a href="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Diwali-2009.jpg"><img src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Diwali-2009.jpg" alt="" title="Diwali 2009" width="520" height="240" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1532" /></a></p>
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		<title>Book Review and Giveaway: Your Intercultural Marriage</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, here's a first for this blog - a giveaway! I was recently contacted by the publishers of <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802418546?ie=UTF8&#38;tag=gorgir-20&#38;linkCode=as2&#38;camp=1789&#38;creative=390957&#38;creativeASIN=0802418546">Your Intercultural Marriage: A Guide to a Healthy, Happy Relationship</a></strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802418546?ie=UTF8&#38;tag=gorgir-20&#38;linkCode=as2&#38;camp=1789&#38;creative=390957&#38;creativeASIN=0802418546"> </a></em>with the offer of a copy of the newly-published book to review - and<strong> five copies to give away to readers here</strong>. Of course, being the bibliophile that I am, I jumped at the chance. Details on the giveaway are at the bottom of the review.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here&#8217;s a first for this blog &#8211; a giveaway! I was recently contacted by the publishers of <em><strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802418546?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=gorgir-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0802418546">Your Intercultural Marriage: A Guide to a Healthy, Happy Relationship</a></strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802418546?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=gorgir-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0802418546"> </a></em>with the offer of a copy of the newly-published book to review &#8211; and<strong> five copies to give away to readers here</strong>. Of course, being the bibliophile that I am, I jumped at the chance. Details on the giveaway are at the bottom of the review.<br />
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<h3>Overall Impressions</h3>
<p>I think that <em>Your Intercultural Marriage</em> is a good book &#8211; for the niche that the author, <a href="http://marriageleap.com/">Marla Alupoaicei</a>, is trying to serve: <strong>Christian intercultural couples</strong>.  With over half of the pages mentioning Christianity, the Bible, or God, <a href="http://gorigirl.com/from-atheist-to-hindu">I am obviously not the target audience</a>. Nonetheless, I did enjoy the book, and I found useful material in here that I believe could appeal to anyone. <strong>I&#8217;d <em>highly</em> recommend the book to any Christian intercultural couple whose faith is a large part of their lives.</strong> For the more general intercultural couples, this book would not be among my top selections but it&#8217;s worth a pick-up if you see it in your local library, or if you&#8217;re comfortable picking and choosing from what&#8217;s written to find valuable information for your situation. The first chapter of <em>Your Intercultural Marriage</em> can be downloaded <a href="http://www.kingsgatemedia.com/book/chapter1.pdf">here</a> (pdf).<span id="more-853"></span></p>
<h3>More Details on <em>Your Intercultural Marriage</em></h3>
<p>The book is broken down into twelve chapters: the first half focuses on general topics of interest to any (Christian) intercultural couple, with topics such as &#8220;Surviving (and Enjoying) Your Engagement, Wedding, and Honeymoon&#8221; and &#8220;Building Strong Verbal and Nonverbal Communication Skills&#8221;. The second half of the book discusses more specific concerns that intercultural couples often have: time-orientation, food, finances, children, and so forth.  Each chapter starts and ends with a quote, and is followed by a suggested list of movies to watch (a feature which I fear will date the book in a few years time).</p>
<p>Alupoaicei&#8217;s breezy, friendly style of writing &#8211; with lots of pointers towards other resources  and questions to consider on your own &#8211; gives her book a feeling similar to a well-edited blog. You aren&#8217;t going to find any deeply thought-provoking passages here (other than the quoted Biblical ones, perhaps), but you  <em>are</em> going to find plenty of ideas that could lead to an ah-ha moment or a  great discussion with your significant other.</p>
<p>The amount of information presented, while great,  is also the book&#8217;s main weakness: with so much research and anecdotes from other sources (such as Romano&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/193193052X?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=gorgir-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=193193052X">Intercultural Marriage: Promises and Pitfalls</a>) some chapters seem to have little of Alupoaicei&#8217;s <em>own</em> analysis, ideas, and self-reflection. However, other chapters, such as &#8220;Coming to Terms with Faith and Values&#8221;<em> do </em>pull together theoretical research, the author&#8217;s personal experience, list of questions, and the like to create a strong &#8211; albeit very Christian-oriented &#8211; chapter that will guide an intercultural couple through potential issues. I also appreciated the detailed chapter on intercultural marriage in the Bible, which I suspect could be particularly helpful if you have conservative (or bigoted) family members who believe that intercultural or interracial marriage are prohibited by God and/or the Bible.</p>
<p><strong>Bottom line: </strong>If you are in the demographic <em>Your Intercultural Marriage </em>targets, I suspect that you&#8217;ll find this book pretty valuable.  If you aren&#8217;t, the constant discussion of the Bible &amp; Christianity could grate, but if you can look past it, then you&#8217;ll find some good information and fun stories of other intercultural couples. I came away satisfied with the amount I got for the time I gave the book.</p>
<h3>Giveaway!</h3>
<p>If you&#8217;d like to be entered into the giveaway contest for <em>Your Intercultural Marriage</em>, just leave a comment here by Friday morning, Eastern Standard -  and include at least one fact or sentence about something intercultural, marriage, or book-related in your life in your comment. (Detailed &amp; unique entries get bonus cool points, but everyone will have an equal chance to win.) I&#8217;ll draw the names randomly, and then contact you for shipping information if you win one of the copies of the book.</p>
<p><em>Disclaimer: I was provided with a free review copy of this book by the publisher.</em></p>
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		<title>Interracial or Intercultural Relationship?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<strong>What do you use: intercultural, interracial, or something else?</strong>
I generally refer to my marriage - and speak of other relationships on this blog - in terms of cultural similarities or differences - mainly because cultural differences are where my interests lie. Thus, Aditya and I have an <em>inter-</em>cultural marriage, I write about the positives and negatives of intercultural relationships, and explore the values and beliefs of Aditya's and my cultures. And yet, culture alone does not tell the whole story. Race <em>does</em> matter in our relationship - at least in how the rest of society views our marriage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What do you use: intercultural, interracial, or something else?</strong><br />
I generally refer to my marriage &#8211; and speak of other relationships on this blog &#8211; in terms of cultural similarities or differences &#8211; mainly because cultural differences are where my interests lie. Thus, Aditya and I have an <em>inter-</em>cultural marriage, I write about the positives and negatives of intercultural relationships, and explore the values and beliefs of Aditya&#8217;s and my cultures. And yet, culture alone does not tell the whole story. Race <em>does</em> matter in our relationship &#8211; at least in how the rest of society views our marriage.<span id="more-899"></span></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be clear: <a title="Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: Race" href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/race/">race</a> as a brightline, biologically-determined distinct set of physical features <a title="Is race real?" href="http://raceandgenomics.ssrc.org/">does not exist</a>. Yes, humans certainly vary genetically &#8211; and different populations display different physical traits such as skin tone &#8211; but there is no genetic basis for the common historical understanding of four or five distinct racial types. The lack of a modern genetic basis of &#8220;blackness&#8221; or &#8220;whiteness&#8221;, however, does not keep us modern people from categorizing others &#8211; typically without even thinking about the matter &#8211; into distinct groups based on physical appearance.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve <a href="http://gorigirl.com/categories-generalizations-and-stereotypes-talking-about-cultural-differences">discussed previously</a>, this tendency to place things &#8211; including people &#8211; into simple, sharply delineated categories is a perfectly normal part of human nature. How we categorize others has changed over time, of course &#8211; ancient Greeks and Romans saw the fundamental categorization of humans <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/race/#HisConRac">by citizenship and political organization</a>, for instance. In contrast, following strands of thought developed during the Western <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Discovery">Age of Discovery</a>, Americans today typically look first to race &#8211; or perhaps ethnicity &#8211; as a fundamental way to differentiate the people around us.</p>
<p>The concept of race, despite (or perhaps because of) its use in everyday speech and thought, is not well-defined or agreed upon. Indeed, I think one of the only things reasonably intelligent Americans can agree upon regarding race is that America is far from being a &#8220;post-racial&#8221; society. As Dr. Alan Goodman <a href="http://raceandgenomics.ssrc.org/Goodman/">puts it</a>:</p>
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<blockquote><p>Americans and much of the world’s population have been conditioned to think of race as a fuzzy jumble of behavior, culture, and biology: a deep and primordial mix of a bit of culture and a lot of nature. Thus, to say that race is not real in one way (as a shorthand for human biological variation) and is real in another way (as a way to group and track lived experience) is indeed confusing. Isn’t race simply real or not? &#8230;</p>
<p>The idea that race is a social construct derives in part from natural scientists &#8230; who maintain that race is a myth, or more precisely that the concept does not capture human diversity. It also derives in part from a misunderstanding of the notion of historical or social construction. Even though race was invented and made to seem real by social humans, and even though race makes little sense on the genetic level, this does not mean that it is not real in other ways. [It is a] mistake of thinking that because race is a social construct, race cannot have real effects. To the contrary, processes of racing, racializing, and practicing racism have enormous and powerful consequence for human wealth and health.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Thus, when Aditya and I walk down the street, clothed in our cool American hipster threads, there is nothing that marks us out as belonging to different <em>cultures</em> &#8211; but we still occasionally attract attention because <em>others</em> see us as being an interracial couple. Of course, they may also (correctly) assume that we are an intercultural or international couple as well &#8211; but those are not distinctions that are immediately obvious from a glance our way.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been doing a fair amount of thinking (and reading) about interracial versus intercultural over the past few days. But before I continue in my mustings, I&#8217;d like to open it up to you all: do you think of your relationship primarily as an intercultural one? As an interracial one? International? Interethinc? Just a <em>plain </em>old relationship? How do you think society &#8211; family, friends, aquintences, strangers &#8211; view your relationship or marriage?</p>
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		<title>Broken Traditions? Intercultural Marriage and Cultural Continuity</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">A new commenter, <strong>Lurker frequent</strong>, brought up this interesting topic in regards to intercultural marriages in <a href="http://gorigirl.com/intercultural-interviews-indian-parents-perspective-part-two#comment-12617724">the comments section of my last post</a>:</p>

<blockquote>As an Indian in the USA; the only reason I would not want to marry a local is to not "lose" my own traditions and culture. Minds meeting , and matching interests and hearts are more important, but certainly , coming from an old and rich tradition, one would want to preserve it by having a completely Indian family, no? Thoughts?</blockquote>
It seems to me that there are several issues in play here, some of which Aditya and I discussed in the comments section when <strong>Lf</strong> first wrote out his comment (do <a href="http://gorigirl.com/intercultural-interviews-indian-parents-perspective-part-two#comment-12617724">check it out</a>).
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	<li>What is meant by cultural continuity? Is it something we should value, and if so, why? Does intercultural marriage (which often leads to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Culture_Kids">Third Culture Kids</a>) automatically mean that the cultures of the parents is ending?</li>
	<li>What does it mean to say that India has an "old and rich tradition" (compared, presumably, against America or other Western cultures' younger and poorer traditions)? Is <em>it</em> something we should value? What exactly do we mean by tradition, anyways?</li>
	<li>What sort of culture - or cultures - do we want to have in our own lives? For those of us in intercultural relationships, what (if anything) are we losing by not creating a monocultural family? Will our lives be richer for it? Poorer? What about extended families?</li>
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Well, that's a lot of questions! Enough for a book or three, certainly, so I'll just give a simplified sketch of my own views on this matter, than open it up to the rest of you.]]></description>
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<p>A new commenter, <strong>Lurker frequent</strong>, brought up this interesting topic in regards to intercultural marriages in <a href="http://gorigirl.com/intercultural-interviews-indian-parents-perspective-part-two#comment-12617724">the comments section of my last post.</a></p>
<blockquote><p>As an Indian in the USA; the only reason I would not want to marry a local is to not &#8220;lose&#8221; my own traditions and culture. Minds meeting , and matching interests and hearts are more important, but certainly , coming from an old and rich tradition, one would want to preserve it by having a completely Indian family, no? Thoughts?</p></blockquote>
<p>It seems to me that there are several issues in play here, some of which Aditya and I discussed in the comments section when <strong>Lf</strong> first wrote out his comment (do <a href="http://gorigirl.com/intercultural-interviews-indian-parents-perspective-part-two#comment-12617724">check it out</a>).</p>
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<li>What is meant by cultural continuity? Is it something we should value, and if so, why? Does intercultural marriage (which often leads to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Culture_Kids">Third Culture Kids</a>) automatically mean that the cultures of the parents is ending?</li>
<li>What does it mean to say that India has an &#8220;old and rich tradition&#8221; (compared, presumably, against America or other Western cultures&#8217; younger and poorer traditions)? Is <em>it</em> something we should value? What exactly do we mean by tradition, anyways?</li>
<li>What sort of culture &#8211; or cultures &#8211; do we want to have in our own lives? For those of us in intercultural relationships, what (if anything) are we losing by not creating a monocultural family? Will our lives be richer for it? Poorer? What about extended families?</li>
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<p>Well, that&#8217;s a lot of questions! Enough for a book or three, certainly, so I&#8217;ll just give a simplified sketch of my own views on this matter, than open it up to the rest of you.<span id="more-860"></span></p>
<h3>What is cultural continuity?</h3>
<p>Let&#8217;s get one thing straight: cultures &#8211; <em>all</em> cultures &#8211; are constantly changing. And by culture here, I mean &#8220;the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes a society&#8221; &#8211; i.e. <strong>culture is the sum of all learned human behaviors in a particular society</strong>. What one generation learns from the previous will change as a society adapts to different conditions. The rate of the change that a culture goes through will generally vary based on the internal and external conditions or pressures a society faces, such as technological innovation, changing resources, and contact with other cultures.</p>
<p>For example, most Americans today would not be able to survive for very long in the wild, but the pioneers in the early days of our nation certainly could and did. As &#8220;frontier America&#8221; transformed into towns and cities knowing how to live off the land became a less important skill than those that allowed you to work in an office or factory in town.</p>
<p><strong>So what is cultural continuity, if all cultures are constantly in a state of flux?</strong> Well, while everything in a culture can change, certain societal structures and beliefs &#8211; often embedded in religion or religious belief itself &#8211; are resistant to change and experience it more slowly. Hinduism in India, and the caste system which has become entwined to some extent with Hinduism, are both good examples of long-standing cultural traditions. But even they have changed over time to stay relevant, as my husband, Aditya, mentioned in his original response to <strong>Lurker frequent:</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>The survival of traditions is in being able to remain relevant with changing times. Even following Hindu traditions &amp; scriptures, you can see clear evidence of the evolution of Hinduism when it responds to new &#8220;challengers&#8221; like Buddhism (Bhagavad Gita), Islam (Vedanta revival) and Christianity (Vivekananda).</p></blockquote>
<p>So it&#8217;s <em>not</em> that culture continuity requires that a culture stays the same &#8211; that&#8217;s impossible &#8211; just that <strong>certain central aspects of a culture, such as particular beliefs or traditions, remain</strong>. To return to the example of &#8220;living off the land&#8221; in the US, while most Americans can&#8217;t survive out in the wild, there remains an ethos of individuality in American culture: a belief that a person should be able to stand on his own two feet without help from others or the government, just as pioneers were required to do.</p>
<h3>Should we value cultural continuity?</h3>
<p>I personally think that a part of the human mind craves traditions, rituals, and continuity, although this need is expressed to a greater or lesser extent in individuals. <strong>So, yes &#8211; to some degree cultural continuity is a desirable feature to have, both in society at large and in our individual lives</strong>. That being said, it isn&#8217;t the end all and be all: &#8220;tradition for tradition&#8217;s sake&#8221; is an argument easily overrode by more pressing &#8220;goods&#8221; such as freedom of choice, happiness, justice, and so forth. By that I mean that <strong>traditions cannot justify actions that hurt people or deny them their basic human rights</strong>.</p>
<p>As Aditya said in his comment:</p>
<blockquote><p>I do think that the argument (or preserving traditions) are well intentioned, but the fact of the matter is that traditions must be revisited constantly to remain relevant. If we froze our traditions as they were in the 16th century, we&#8217;d still have women locked in the kitchen.<br />
Unfortunately, this argument is also being made all over the world today to deny basic human rights to minorities and oppressed groups&#8230; from the denial of political rights to women, to outlawing gay marriage, the mantra of &#8220;this is not how it has always been&#8221; has become the central &#8220;argument&#8221; against progress of society.</p></blockquote>
<p>Leaving aside the moral argument, which I hope all of you understand without my expanding upon it, <strong>following some traditions in the modern age is simply irrational.</strong> Traditions, after all, were formed to help societies function well &#8211; but societies today don&#8217;t exactly look like (or require the same things) as they did when these traditions were developed. Consider, for example, the traditionally arranged economy (the Indian caste system is one version of this), where a child follows in the work of his father. This system <em>only</em> functions as a good tradition in societies where</p>
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<li>The work doesn&#8217;t change much from one generation to another.  Otherwise, there&#8217;s no point in having the child learn a skill at the knee of his father that will be antiquated by the time child is old enough to enter the workforce, and</li>
<li>The work <em>isn&#8217;t</em> specialized enough that only some people have the particular skill set, mental abilities, and personality to do it well. Otherwise children will be trained from childhood to do a job that they aren&#8217;t well-suited for &#8211; there&#8217;s no reason to expect my future kids will rock out as product managers just because Aditya does.</li>
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<p>In today&#8217;s economy, neither of these points holds true, and thus the traditionally-arranged economy should be abandoned purely on utility grounds &#8211; a society that practices it won&#8217;t do as well as a society that doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p><strong>So for a tradition to be continued today, it should:</strong></p>
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<li><strong>be rational &#8211; actually help the society &amp; people that practice it</strong></li>
<li><strong>be moral &#8211; not hurt individuals or their free practice of their basic human rights</strong></li>
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<p>With the increased pace of technological innovation today, many long-standing traditions have been ending, amid outcries from critics that capitalism or globalization or American cultural imperialism are ruining cultures left and right, leading to a homogenization of the world. This is largely bullshit.</p>
<p>Yes, societies around the world are becoming more similar &#8211; there is more of world-wide culture today than ever before.<strong> </strong>But subcultures and individuals&#8217; choices within cultures are more diverse than ever before as well. People today have (more of) a choice of whether they want to follow a tradition that isn&#8217;t actually rational in today&#8217;s world &#8211; or one that violates people&#8217;s human rights, such as the caste system. Moreover, today we are able to witness some amazing creative efforts as people combine two traditions to make a completely new &#8211; and wonderful &#8211; tradition or art form. See, for example, <a href="http://gorigirl.com/michael-jackson-bhangra-awesome">my post on Michael Jackson and bhangra</a>. (Now, while I&#8217;d like to move the focus back to intercultural relationships, if you&#8217;d like to read more on this topic I recommend starting off with economist Tyler Cowen&#8217;s article<em> Creative Destruction</em>, which can be found<a title="Tyler Cowen's Creative Destruction" href="http://www.gmu.edu/jbc/Tyler/TylerNATIONALPOST.doc"> here as a word document</a>.)</p>
<h3>Intercultural marriage and creative destruction</h3>
<p>Intercultural marriage is a perfect example of the creative destruction that, when successful, leads to both great innovation and happy, meaningful lives. Every marriage consists of the creation of a new family culture &#8211; but with intercultural marriages each individual is bringing a completely distinct culture and set of traditions to the table to be combined. <strong>Yes, there will almost certainly be fewer pieces of a Indian culture or Bengali culture in Aditya&#8217;s and my &#8220;family culture&#8221; than there would be if he had married another Indian &#8211; but we can choose to keep the worthwhile traditions while eliminating the rest.</strong></p>
<p>We can keep <a title="From Athiest to Hindu" href="http://gorigirl.com/from-atheist-to-hindu">statues of the gods around the house to remind us of our values</a>, we can play and watch cricket on the weekends, remember that <a href="http://gorigirl.com/wait-i-thought-this-was-my-house">our home is also the home of our family</a>, and have lovely saris and Indian tunics in the closets. We can also keep the best of American traditions and culture. We celebrate a secular family Christmas with an exchange of presents, watch (too much) great tv programming that comes out of Hollywood, train our dogs following Western methods like <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.k9web.com%2Fdog-faqs%2Fcrating.html&amp;ei=w75fSqy7J4fKtgfQreXECA&amp;usg=AFQjCNH3CF6XA2ZbTvb5m6uJZCP0RAZIkw&amp;sig2=WSK7s0Y6xk_3BVSQVWqwVA">crating</a>, and have (fasionably) torn jeans in the dressers.</p>
<p>It takes effort to combine two cultures successfully, and a willing attitude to learn from both partners. But I personally feel the effort is more than paid back by the results. Is it worthwhile for everyone? Of course not! Intercultural relationships are <em>hard work</em>. (All relationships require hard work, of course, but there tend to be more difficult variables in an intercultural marriage than a monocultural one.)</p>
<p>If you really want all of the traditions you grew up with to be part of your adult life, then you should probably choose something other than an intercultural match, since that&#8217;s unlikely to happen in an intercultural marriage unless your partner is willing to give up all of <em>his or her</em> cultural traditions. Of course, given the speed of cultural and technological change, it&#8217;s unlikely that all of the traditions you grew up with will be a part of your adult life anyways. As Aditya said,</p>
<blockquote><p>In the reality of the globalized world of today, intercultural relationships give us a glimpse of a future where the free flow of information and people have broken down meaningless antiquated boundaries.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Intercultural Interviews: Indian Parents&#8217; Perspective (Part Two)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the second part of the interview I held with my husband Aditya's parents (you can find <a title="Intercultural Interviews: Indian Parents’ Perspective (Part One)" href="http://gorigirl.com/intercultural-interviews-indian-parents-perspective-part-one">Part One here</a>).  This part starts off with an interlude on Maa and Baba's first meeting for their "semi-arranged" marriage, then continues on the topic of their first impressions of me. I finally got them to discuss some negatives: what they find difficult in having a non-Indian daughter-in-law and my (apparently) one fault. We also discussed some of the things they dislike about general American culture (as it relates to interpersonal relationships), and ended with some advice Maa and Baba have for intercultural couples, both generally and for those having some difficulty with Indian in-laws.]]></description>
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This is the second part of the interview I held with my husband Aditya&#8217;s parents (you can find <a title="Intercultural Interviews: Indian Parents’ Perspective (Part One)" href="http://gorigirl.com/intercultural-interviews-indian-parents-perspective-part-one">Part One here</a>).  This part starts off with an interlude on Maa and Baba&#8217;s first meeting for their &#8220;semi-arranged&#8221; marriage, then continues on the topic of their first impressions of me. I finally got them to discuss some negatives: what they find difficult in having a non-Indian daughter-in-law and my (apparently) one fault. We also discussed some of the things they dislike about general American culture (as it relates to interpersonal relationships), and ended with some advice Maa and Baba have for intercultural couples, both generally and for those having some difficulty with Indian in-laws. <span id="more-849"></span>Technical details: I transcribed the interview from a sound recording, and have only edited (in square brackets) for clarity or in keeping with Maa &amp; Baba’s wishes for certain things to be “off the record”. My comments and notes post-transcription are in red.</p>
<p><strong>Aditya: So what is that story that you were telling, of when Baba came to meet you?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>That was our semi-arranged marriage!</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Semi? Why &#8220;semi&#8221;? Absolutely arranged!</p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> I saw her, and<em> then</em> I said okay. It was not arranged. So semi.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>They put an advertisement in paper, that their son is not getting married for last ten years, they’re searching for daughter-in-law.</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>And my in-laws had a daughter who was not being married for ten years, said, “Okay, this is a right match!”</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>So, when they came, they didn’t tell me… Maybe my parents knew it, but I didn’t know that they were coming. So it was Sunday, and I had lot of hair… The whole week I had to go to college, so I didn’t wash my hair properly, because in India you can’t go with, uh, hair loose, you have to tie it up. Nowadays everything is gone, but that time it was there. So Sunday is my oil massaging day. So from top to bottom I used to apply oil.</p>
<p><strong>Aditya: </strong>And Maa’s hair was down to her knees almost.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>So, they came at three o’clock. And I took bath at twelve o’clock, I think. And I didn’t do shampoo also. And you can just imagine…</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>You know, that is why I got married to her, just because of her hair. Because I could not see anything else [to judge]!</p>
<p>&lt;laughter&gt;</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>And in India, when some girl is to, uh, be presented to her in-laws, they put on a lot of makeup, good saris, jewelry. But I was wearing a cotton sari, normal, because I didn’t know that they were coming. And my sister-in-laws, all, my parents, couldn’t [dress me up], because I am very strict about that. What I am, I am, there’s no makeup or something. And, I used to wear a bangle on my right hand. On my left hand, I used to wear a watch, a wrist-watch. I was at home, so I didn’t wear that also. And I met him like that!</p>
<p><strong>GG: </strong>So, after you both met, did you discuss anything with each other?</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Oh, yeah, we had a talk, between us. But I don’t think that it was, uh, like an examination. We just discussed what I feel, what did she feel that particular day? That’s all.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>And then for food, at the restaurant, I didn’t take it. Because my mother told me, don’t go with anybody in the restaurant. So he was asking, “Are you hungry?” “No,” [I said].</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>So I sat down, I ate.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>And he ate. When we came back to our home, from [movie] picture, I was telling my mother, “Give me some food, I am very hungry!” And he says, “Why didn’t you take?!” But how could I explain to him at that time?</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>That was my golden era.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">I cannot imagine participating in the process of an arranged marriage &#8211; not that I think that they&#8217;re necessarily bad, but I just can&#8217;t picture what it would be like. Maa &amp; Baba&#8217;s story of their first meeting was, therefore, quite enlightening as to some of the particulars. It all strikes me as something out of a Jane Austin novel.<br />
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<p><strong>GG: Okay, next question!</strong></p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>This is off the syllabus?</p>
<p><strong>GG: Yes! So, did Aditya discuss marrying me with you?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Actually, I told him, you ought to get married. If you want to stay together, you ought to get married. That I told him.</p>
<p><strong>Aditya: </strong>I mean, it was a variety of things. I think it started… I mean, obviously, after graduating, I moved to California, and I was looking for housing. We talked about it. And obviously I asked before I proposed to GG.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>He didn’t <em>ask</em>, we discussed.</p>
<p><strong>Aditya: </strong>Yeah, we discussed, it was more like that.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>I said, if you want to be with her, then get married. You take the responsibility.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">The idea of &#8220;responsibility&#8221; being a key part of a marriage is something I&#8217;m still noodling over. I&#8217;ll admit I&#8217;ve never thought of it in exactly those terms.<br />
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<p><strong>GG: Did your expectations of what you expect for a daughter-in-law change after Aditya said he was marrying me?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Aditya: What I think she is asking is, would you have different expectations if she was Indian?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>No. And that should be in block capitals! Because I told you, my expectations for my daughter-in-law is the same whether it is Bhabi, Punjabi, or GG, American.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">Bhabi is Aditya&#8217;s sister-in-law, i.e. Baba&#8217;s other daughter-in-law, for those just tuning in.</span></h5>
<p><strong>GG: So, what would you say was something I did that impressed you early on?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Everything.</p>
<p><strong>Aditya: </strong>I think they spoke the highest of your card-playing ability.</p>
<p><strong>GG: </strong>Card-playing?</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Yeah, card-playing…</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Not card-playing ability, the way you picked up the game. You know, pick-up is more important for playing the game. If your pick up is good, whether it is cards or studies, that is a quality, and of course, which I feel did impress on the first day.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">Like Aditya, I come from a family where playing cards is a key part of family bonding. Aditya&#8217;s family&#8217;s game is <a href="http://www.pagat.com/jass/29.html">Twenty-Nine</a>, while my family plays a house version of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rummy">Rummy</a> and <a href="http://www.pagat.com/exact/ohhell.html">Oh Hell</a>. Being decent at cards in both of our families &#8211; or at least enjoying playing cards &#8211; is a pretty important trait</span>.</h5>
<p><strong>Maa:</strong> Even when we came back from the cabin, you cooked for us, a nice —</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>No, that was afterwards, but, my point is, the first day.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>But, that time, they were not even engaged. So I liked it very much.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">I made a spicy spagetti with chicken sausage (since Maa &amp; Baba don&#8217;t eat beef or pork), a simple salad, and some out-of-the-box cake for the family at Aditya&#8217;s brother&#8217;s house while they were off on a day trip &#8211; really the meal was nothing special or complicated. I think Maa might have been secretly afraid that the rumors of Americans were true, and I couldn&#8217;t cook a thing.</span></h5>
<p><strong>Aditya: </strong>What about Bear?</p>
<p><strong>GG: </strong>My dad’s dog.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Oh, very sweet, very nice.</p>
<p><strong>Aditya: </strong>Baba was taking pictures all evening of Bear, there were more pictures of Bear than of GG.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>I liked your mother, your grandmother… And I was very much impressed by you.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">Maa met my materal grandmother while I was back in the Midwest, attending college. Granmama is a French-Candian immigrant, altho she&#8217;s lived in the US for most of her life.<br />
</span></h5>
<p><strong>GG: Anything I did that surprised you, or maybe somewhat negative? Something you thought was kind of odd?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Actually, should I tell you? Yes, I’m not so critical in little things. If otherwise it is acceptable, it is okay.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Yes, everybody has some problems.</p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> If everybody is happy, I feel that it’s good enough. I don’t see things so critical.</p>
<p><strong>GG: Okay, so, now, Aditya &amp; I are married… What is the hardest part about having a non-Bengali, or non-Indian daughter-in-law?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>From my side, the only difficulty is to express myself.</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>The language.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>The language. The hardest thing. Nothing else.</p>
<p><strong>Aditya: </strong>(sarcastically) GG has been working hard on her Hindi.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">I think I have a mental block against learning languages. I&#8217;m still struggling to keep a schedule of regular studying &#8211; but hearing this was a big motivator.</span></h5>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>I don’t… Whether you are GG, or someone else, it would have not have made much of difference if that person were the same as GG. Because I don’t, uh, everybody has some shortcoming, some strong points. So if I forget about the rest of the things, only see the small shortcomings here or there, mentally I will not be happy. And I do not want to be unhappy.</p>
<p><strong>GG: </strong>But is there any difficulty you see, maybe in customs I don’t know, or…</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Even I don’t know a lot of customs. So I don’t care for that.</p>
<p><strong>GG: </strong>Or my family doesn’t have the same expectations that an Indian family would…</p>
<p><strong>Maa:</strong> How would I know, how do we know what your family expectations? We don’t know…</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>One thing I know, GG, that I have got my own way of looking at things. I can lead my life in that lane/line/road – whatever you want to call it, but I cannot make others follow it. Therefore, yes, often things happen even between me and Maa, where we think differently, we argue, feel bad. Maa stops talking, I stop talking, but that is for only a few hours. Because we know that this has to be there, because [we are] two persons.</p>
<p>Similarly, if I am very critical to anybody, it is making an unhappy relation, and no one is happy by doing so. It is better if we can enjoy each other’s company, which is good, overlook the shortcomings, the things that we don’t like. If I know that GG does not like something, I would like to avoid those things as much as possible. I have not vacuumed your bedroom, because I have felt that you would not like disturbed whatever arrangement or, uh, disarrangement&#8230;</p>
<p>&lt;general laughter&gt;</p>
<p>&#8230;that you have got. It is something like that, I have avoided it.  But had it been my world, anybody could have done it for me and I would be happy. It is something like that. I try to avoid, don’t see things, which I feel may cause a bit of uneasiness between two persons.</p>
<p><strong>GG: Is there anything that has been a positive, an unexpected thing that you’ve learned or experienced from having an American daughter-in-law?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Should I say now, one-to-one? Ready? Sure? I had the impression that Americans are generally very clean …that they keep things in order. But here, I have found…</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">And the truth comes out! This was the only critical thing I could get Maa &amp; Baba to admit.</span></h5>
<p><strong>GG: </strong>It’s as much your son as me!</p>
<p><strong>Aditya: </strong>GG, don’t even go there. You know, Thalith used to be our roommate, first when the three of us lived together, and then Thalith, GG, Ivan, and Claudia [lived together]. Thalith always used to make fun of us because the house was dirty and he used to blame me. But after I graduated, and he lived just with her, then he realized that what he actually saw there was her mess minus my cleaning up. You know, I visited GG twice, surprised her by arriving there before she expected me to be there. And the first day that I got there GG was sitting on the bed. And to get on the bed you could only put one step on the ground from the door. So you had to make a hop on one foot towards the bed, and then from that foot – you didn’t have space to put down the second foot – you had to hop off of that foot straight onto the bed. So everything you see is, always remember, that is GG minus my cleaning. Don’t say that it’s equally my fault.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">While it is true that my college apartment room was that messy (I was working on my senior thesis!), it is complete falsehood that Aditya is a net benefit in the cleaning  department; during the same time period Aditya&#8217;s studio in California was nearly as messy. Really, we&#8217;re just messy (and busy) people.<br />
</span></h5>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>What to say…</p>
<p><strong>GG: </strong>It’s okay to say unflattering things. Whatever is on your mind.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Actually, I love you very much, all qualities, but the only thing, I can’t tolerate this much of untidiness. No, I think that, uh, you are since your childhood away from your mother, maybe that has affected you. Because only a mother can teach a daughter…</p>
<p><strong>GG: </strong>My mother is also very messy.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Maybe, maybe because of that.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>What you will do, please, you [GG] do the dusting and cleaning, let him do the vacuuming. Yes, do it together. That way you will enjoy it. Otherwise you’re doing it here, he’s doing it there. When Aditya told me that last time that Amy [the basement tenant] was here, that after Amy left, we’ll do the basement as the TV room or something like that. How is it possible that somebody is playing there, she’s playing here in her computer? This is not right. Whenever you’ll be at home, stay together. That is the first thing between husband and wife. You’ll see that in our house also, wherever Baba is I try to be, yes, because I don’t get to …</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>You see, when I want to avoid her, she’s always there! … Have you gone to church? Have you seen a dirty church?</p>
<p><strong>GG: </strong>I don’t go to church.. I’ve only been a few times when I was little.</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Okay, the ten times you’ve gone to church in your life, have you ever seen a dirty, stinking church?</p>
<p><strong>GG: </strong>No&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Why? Cleanliness is next to godliness! And it is your house. You want that, you know, welcoming look. A house that is messy cannot be a happy house.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">Point. Aditya and I really do need to stop living like we&#8217;re still in college.<br />
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<p><strong>GG: Okay, last two questions. Is there any advice that you would give to an American, or another Westerner who is dating an Indian, and is worried maybe that the parents won’t approve or anything like that?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Yes. There is something. Like [in] India, we are naturally very family-oriented. It is in our, uhh, in our heritage. But in Western country, people are so advanced, so educated, so independent, that sometimes, they feel, that…</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>They become islands.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Yes, they become islands.  The space, their conception of personal space makes them very lonely, gradually. Everybody has some defects, some shortcomings – that is a girl also and a boy. Don’t look at the shortcomings. If you like somebody, if you love somebody, try to, both of, try to compromise on some points. If you can give only will you have something. Always if you – uh, not you, I mean general you – that giving away is much better than taking away.</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>No, actually, her question was actually if an Indian boy or a girl is dating an American boy or girl, what advice would be given to them. That is what she asked.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>That is the advice! You have to give something to take something!</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>No, no, no… That you are talking about harmony in married life or in relationship. I would say that if they are dating an Indian boy, don’t just go by the boy. Unless he has decided to get out of the family altogether – cut off, I mean – not that [he is] in touch with them, they come and go… Otherwise, the boy should make it clear exactly how his parents or her parents would react to such a decision.</p>
<p>Like, you two are very nice. When you come to India, we [could have] decided no, you have to be like Indian girl, you have to put on a lot of oil, get up early in the morning, five o’clock, take a bath, go to temple, do puja, come back, then you go to the kitchen, cook food.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>That type of family is still there in India.</p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> A lot of them! The ones that – I have been reading your blog – most of the people they have got that type of problem when they go abroad, to their in-laws place. Therefore, it must be absolutely clear in mind [of the couple] what the expectations [are] at the other end. And if it is so, they should not go to India at all. Because a lot of disharmony would be created on such visits.  And as far as we are concerned, as I told you, we are much more liberal, we know and we have got faith on our children, and things are different. I don’t think that one can, uh, judge parents just by seeing our family.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Even uh, Indian girls get lots of problems.</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Indian girls get problems at their in-laws place because the culture, the practices are different.</p>
<p><strong>GG: Would you suggest for a couple in that situation, that they just go along with the parents, or they say “no, we aren’t going to do that. She will not be getting up at five am”? Or some sort of compromise?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>No, no, I would say if they’re going to live in US they should live like in US. They cannot live in US as [in] India. If you are going to live in India, live like India[ns]. You should not change your lifestyle because you are in a different country [for a short visit], you better live the style of the country [that] you live in.</p>
<p><strong>GG: Anything else you want to share?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Maa:</strong> No, I told you that space is very…</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Space should not make–</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Make a man lonely.</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>No. That should not, I would say, divide a couple.</p>
<p><strong>Aditya:</strong> I think it’s all about, when it comes to intercultural relationships, or really any relationship, it’s all about setting expectations. Like you should never get to the point where there is, like… In most Indian families parents are part of the married family. And you should never get to the point where those stakeholders are not on the same page.</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>That’s what I’m saying. And once – often courtship, like salesmanship – often the boy or the girl will tell little bit of half-truth. They will tell the facts just to impress, or hide things that maybe one [will] realize when you go to India. So that should be quite clear, how it is like at the other end. Like earlier, people used to get married, not to Americans, but a lot of people used to get married to the European girls, mainly British. And most of these people are sufficiently moneyed, but they were not like Rajas. But they used to give the impression that they were like small Rajas. And after the wedding they used to go, they used to find that things are not like what they heard during their courtship, and they had a lot of trouble during those days. The same way that I feel that one should be quite truthful, and put both sides on the right side of the picture, and then decide.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>And husband and wife relationship should very, very based on honesty.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">And that was the end of the interview.<br />
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		<description><![CDATA[I sat down with Aditya's parents, Maa and Baba, a few nights ago with a list of eight questions to find out their views on American culture and intercultural relationships... and we ended up talking for over an hour, thus necessitating a Part One and a Part Two. Today's portion focuses on the early days: their worries on sending their youngest son, Aditya, to a foreign country, thoughts on American culture, dating, and their first interactions with me. ]]></description>
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<p>I sat down with Aditya&#8217;s parents, Maa and Baba, a few nights ago with a list of eight questions to find out their views on American culture and intercultural relationships&#8230; and we ended up talking for over an hour, thus necessitating a Part One and a Part Two. Today&#8217;s portion focuses on the early days: their worries on sending their youngest son, Aditya, to a foreign country, thoughts on American culture, dating, and their first interactions with me. <span id="more-838"></span>Technical details: I transcribed the interview from a sound recording, and have only edited (in square brackets) for clarity or in keeping with Maa &amp; Baba&#8217;s wishes for certain things to be &#8220;off the record&#8221;. My comments and notes post-transcription are in red.</p>
<p><strong>GG: What were your concerns when Aditya came to the US to study?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Whether he’ll be able to cope with everything; [I was] concerned with his studies. And we didn’t have that much of money to support him, so whether he would be able to support himself.</p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> Firstly, the financial part. Secondly, he had never lived away from home – this was the first time he’d be living away from home. Thirdly, it was a strange country for him, the surroundings, the education system, language, food, everything was different! And I knew that he would be able to cope with the things, but I had doubted how easily he’d be able to cope up with it.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">Aditya was the first member of his family to travel to the US. Maa and Baba first came to visit after his older brother, Dada, also moved to the US, about half way through Aditya&#8217;s college career.</p>
<p></span></h5>
<p><strong>GG: Do you remember what you guys thought of the US then? What your impressions, your ideas of it were?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Actually, as far as I am concerned, when I came to the US, I was more or less not surprised. I knew the US quite a lot – from movies, from books that I have studied, and I expected it to be more or less like this. The only thing is that I did not expect the US to be so huge as a country.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Actually, when I came for the first time, my whole concern was for Aditya.  So I was not interested in how the US was – [I] only wanted to know how he was.</p>
<p><strong>GG: Did you have any worries about Aditya being at a US university, meeting Americans, maybe dating or falling in love with one of them or anything like that?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>No, I didn’t have any concerns.</p>
<p><strong>GG: Did you think he would date Americans when he came to the US?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>No, I never thought that was an issue. If I liked someone at the right time, right age, <em>I</em> always said yes. Of course, I had certain reservations, and that has not happened.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">*waggles eyebrows at Baba&#8217;s phrasing*</p>
<p></span></h5>
<p><strong>GG: </strong>What reservations?</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>That is off the record.</p>
<p>&lt;Aditya laughs&gt;</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;"><em>For</em> the record, I still haven&#8217;t heard what the reservations were</span>.</h5>
<p><strong>GG: Were you <em>aware</em> of his social activities when he was at the university?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Yes, he used to write, sometimes spoke to his mother… not to me. From what I could gather, I figured I had a fairly good idea of his activities. Of course, some of it was my imagination…</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Nah, I knew only the portion that he used to tell us. But I [only] know half of it.</p>
<p><strong>GG:</strong> So you knew that he had… (to Aditya) how many girlfriends was it?</p>
<p><strong>Aditya: </strong>I told them…</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">Eight girlfriends his first year, I believe, (EIGHT!) and he tossed them all in two weeks or less. Shameless.</p>
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<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Yeah, he had many [girlfriends] in Delhi also…</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Actually, we are not very much, uh, concerned with children’s girlfriends or boyfriends.</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>As long as you are not doing anything <em>wrong</em>, if your aim, your studies are going properly, I think that there is nothing wrong in having girlfriends. How you take that relation matters… Like, I had in India at one time I knew a lot of girls – and of course, my parents were also very liberal. Even today, if I meet them, if I get a chance to meet them, there’s nothing wrong in this, I always felt. Yes, if somebody has some bad intention, that is different. For that…</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Nah, it is very natural. There is nothing to worry about. If I know my children, they will choose the right thing.</p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> No, as long as a child knows what is right or wrong, there is no need for the parent to worry. And I, at least, have the confidence in my children; they can recognize right.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>And in that way my impression of Aditya is very high.</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>That every mother has!</p>
<p><strong>Maa:</strong> Nah, he’s a moralist type.</p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> Yes, he’s a moralist type.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">I suspect &#8211; but do not know one way or another for sure &#8211; that the attitude that Maa &amp; Baba express here is pretty unusual for mainstream Indian culture. Heck, I suspect it&#8217;s pretty unusual for the majority of American parents of teenagers too. Anyways, with the basics of Maa &amp; Baba&#8217;s views on dating established, we now changed tacks to start discussing Aditya&#8217;s relationship with me, which was more serious than those with previous girlfriends (i.e. I lasted more than two weeks).</p>
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<p><strong>GG: Do you remember when he told you he was dating me? Do you remember what he said?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> Yes.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Yes. When you two had some difference of opinion, and I told him that this girl is a … in our language, <a title="Saraswati" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saraswati">Saraswati</a>, it means goddess of learning &#8211; she looks like that.</p>
<p><strong>Aditya:</strong> This was when we were broken up.</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Maa said that you better make up!</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">You can read my take on first meeting Aditya&#8217;s parents <a title="Meeting the Desi Parents" href="http://gorigirl.com/meeting-the-desi-parents">here</a>. </span><span style="color: #800000;">In short, when I first met Maa, Aditya and I had downgraded our relationship to &#8220;an icy friendship&#8221; due to quarreling too much.</p>
<p></span></h5>
<p><strong>Aditya: </strong>By the way, the only reason that Baba and I didn’t talk over the phone while I was at the university was because Baba telephone conversations are always telegraphic.</p>
<p>&lt;general laughter &gt;</p>
<p>The first question he asks you is “How are you?”, and by the time you have said, “I’m good” the conversation is over and the phone has been hung up.</p>
<p><strong>Maa:</strong> [He’s like that] with everybody.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">Yes, yes he is.</p>
<p></span></h5>
<p><strong>Aditya:</strong> Yes, with everybody. When we were growing up… I mean, I don’t even know how common telephones were when they were growing up. When we were growing up, Baba used to be away, you know, and we had to do <a href="http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/TRUNKCALL">trunk calls</a>. And in the middle of the night, it’d be super expensive, and Maa would be running down the stairs at 11:30 pm, because, you know, there’s a trunk call with Baba.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">For Americans or others scratching their heads, a trunk call is the British English (and, apparently, Indian English) word for a long-distance call, especially one routed by a real, live operator.</p>
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<p><strong>GG: So what were your expectations for a daughter-in-law? Before you knew about me or anything – just general expectations.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Maa:</strong> I want only the good relationship and to look after my children – daughter-in-law or son-in-law. Look after my children, and a good relationship with us. Nothing else.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">For the following anecdote, Bhabi is Aditya&#8217;s sister-in-law, Dada is his older brother, and Didi is his older sister.<br />
</span></h5>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> You see, before Bhabi’s marriage [to Dada]… Bhabi was in school, Dada was in hostel, they had not met each other. They were in class 7 or 8. And she was learning some dance in Calcutta. She came to our house because Didi was in the same class – Bhabi had missed some classes, and she came to make up those missed classes. I was working away from Calcutta, and I used to come [home] during the weekends. I came&#8230; it was a duplex, our house was. I was climbing the stairs and I saw Bhabi. And when she came, I said, “Who is this girl?” And Maa said, “Didi’s dance mate.” And I said, “I would like to get a girl like that as daughter-in-law [for Dada]”&#8230; By God’s grace, that has happened. Of course it happened after…<br />
&lt;argument starts over how long &gt;<br />
Five, six years, let us say. So after that, I always expected that Aditya’s wife would be something like Bhabi. In all respects.</p>
<p><strong>GG: </strong>Punjabi?</p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> No, not Punjabi. I don’t look at Bhabi as Punjabi. See, this language or religion – I feel everything is the same. So I don’t look at a Punjabi or American or European… My thing is &#8211; “similar” means &#8211; she should be intelligent, sharing, and good in studies, plus she should be something where we are comfortable, my son is comfortable, and she should be someone who gets into a relation[ship] for lifelong.</p>
<p>Because there are a lot of cases I have found where people don’t – the girls or the boys – don’t think beyond certain time: four years, five years, ten years. But I always felt that my children should get a partner for the whole life. Not part time or, I would say, “live together” type. That is the type of girl I expected. She should be presentable, so that people don’t say – don’t take it – that she doesn’t fit into the family. I feel that that is a bigger thing, because I still feel family is much bigger than self. And that was what [were] my expectations, and I feel that I am quite happy on that one respect. The rest of the things, small things, would be different between individuals. Those better to not be discussed, because everyone has their own way of looking at things. But my general expectations for my daughter-in-law or son-in-law were the same. It is not that [the expectations] for daughter-in-law different [from] son-in-law.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">While I suspect that Baba cares a bit more for what others think than I do, I must admit I was quite pleased with his perspective on this &#8211; I really couldn&#8217;t ask for a more considerate and reasonable set of expectations.</p>
<p></span></h5>
<p><strong>GG: What do you remember Aditya telling you about me before you met me? Like on the phone.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> He didn’t tell me anything!</p>
<p><strong>GG: </strong>Aditya, is this true?</p>
<p><strong>Aditya: </strong>Because Baba’s phone calls are so short!</p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> That has already been said. Whatever he said –</p>
<p><strong>GG:</strong> But he went back to India one summer.</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>That is true, but Aditya is very close to – my children are all more close to &#8211; Maa for such things, for such topics. So they always spoke to her, and she only told me that much that was…</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Screened!</p>
<p>&lt;general laughter&gt;</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Yeah, little bit. I always got a filtered version.</p>
<p><strong>GG: Okay, Maa, what do you remember Aditya telling you about me?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Maa:</strong> In 2006 when he came, he told me. And I told him it is okay, make your studies properly, and then you can do whatever you feel like, I don’t mind. And what else…?</p>
<p><strong>Aditya: </strong>Nah, we talked about it when I was in Madras, right?</p>
<p><strong>Maa:</strong> So long time back… That time I [hadn’t yet met] her, right? So I told [him] that I did not know what type of girl she is. I was not very keen… Hmmm… I am very scared that time, because he should complete his studies and things. Because in our [country], in India, a girl or boy’s future is very… We are very concerned about their future. All parents [are this way]. So I was a little scared that he may not—</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>– do well in his exams or things like that.</p>
<p><strong>GG: Is there anything you <em>wish</em> Aditya had told, that might have helped your fears more or your concerns?</strong></p>
<p>&lt;general confusion over the meaning of the question&gt;</p>
<p><strong>Okay, before you met me, maybe you had some concerns… Was there anything that Aditya could have told you, that could have helped those concerns?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> No, I don’t think with me [there were any concerns].</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Yeah, I was concerned. Because he told [me] that you have some health problem. So I was concerned if it was very serious type. I don’t know anything. So I thought that health problem was very very… &lt;worried hand gesture&gt;.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">I have a genetic blood-clotting disorder &#8211; which I only found out my freshman year while dating Aditya &#8211; which will be a lifelong concern, although it is perfectly managable with a little daily medication and awareness. At that time, however, it was a new-ish thing, and neither Aditya nor I were sure of how serious it would turn out to be. Luckily, it falls more on the side of, say, adult asthma or a severe allergy in seriousness than, for example, diabetes.</p>
<p></span></h5>
<p><strong>Aditya: </strong>See, part of the problem – the reason I spoke more to Maa than to Baba – [was] because I always did feel that… Baba and I had talked about things in passing, not detailed things… I always felt that Baba would be supportive, no matter what decision I took, you know? Like I always say, Sachin gets all this advice before he goes in to bat, and once he goes in to bat, it’s up to him, he has to make the decisions. And I always felt that Baba would be supportive over whatever decision I took. I was more concerned about how Maa would react. That’s why I talked more with Maa about it than with Baba.</p>
<p><strong>GG: </strong>(to Maa) Does that surprise you?</p>
<p><strong>Maa:</strong> No, [I’m] not surprised. But I was concerned when he said that she has some health problem – that was why I was concerned. But when I have seen you, I told him, that she is the best for you.</p>
<p><strong>GG: Okay. Anything else that you thought when you met me for the first time?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>I felt that you were very, um, that your approach was very nice. Your way of talking, your behavior, I liked it very much. Even I told my relations in India, “She is a nice girl.”</p>
<p><strong>GG: So, on some of the blogs I read, some of the Indian parents aren’t very happy about their sons or their daughters dating an American. So people give out various advice, like “you should do this when you meet them”, or “you should do that”. For instance, one of the things that they advise is that you should dress up very nicely, maybe wear a sari when you meet the parents for the first time.</strong></p>
<p>&lt;Baba makes a wincing face&gt;</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>I am also no. Even to Bhabi, I told [that it was not necessary] … You are an American girl, but even to Bhabi…</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>If my daughter can put on trousers, can go [out] in skirts, what is wrong with my daughter-in-law – someone else’s daughter [doing that sort of thing]. That is how I look at things.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">Aditya&#8217;s parents are typically very pleased when I wear Indian-style clothing, but I have never felt any pressure &#8211; even while in India &#8211; to wear Indian clothing instead of jeans and a t-shirt.</p>
<p></span></h5>
<p><strong>Maa:</strong> Even to Bhabi I said that, you can wear whatever you like in my house. One thing I told her, when people from village come –</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Yeah, social functions that is, it is better that you put on sari. It is not a compulsion [compulsory] to put on saris, she may put on salwar kameeze also. But [with a sari] that is easier to blend in, because everyone else will be in sari. If you come in sari you will feel a little [more] comfortable.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">While I think you can fit into Indian cities just fine in Western clothes, I felt more comfortable &#8211; and slightly less conspicuous &#8211; wearing salwar kameezes or saris in more rural towns.</p>
<p></span></h5>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>And, nah, one thing I told Bhabi, when people from villages, remote villages – we have got relations there – so when they will come it is better to wear saris. Because they will come for half an hour, for one hour. They will see that this girl is settled in [well] with this family, and their impression is good for the daughter-in-law.</p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> Because I feel, that people should talk good about our, my family, and of course my daughter-in-law is part of it.</p>
<p><strong>Maa:</strong> Even my daughter follows the same thing, it is not [just] for my daughter-in-law.</p>
<p><strong>Aditya: Did you have any concerns, that, you know, other people, people who would be visiting from remote villages… Did you have any concerns that they would see the relationship as a bad thing, and would think less of the family?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Actually, in our family and among our relations, I have got the impression that generally I do right things. Therefore, in my house, if something happens – what I have accepted – generally the general impression is that that is right. So I never had any doubt that if I am comfortable, and if my daughter-in-law is comfortable with me, that others would have anything to say. So that advantage I have. In my family or my relations, I have a different, I would say, position. And it puts my daughter-in-law in a little elevated position.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>In our family nobody told anything. Even neighbors… Well, I’m not really sure, I’ve never had any concerns [about what they say].</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>I have the one advantage that often, when things go wrong, and two parties speak, and to one party I have said okay, the other party, they also accept it. So that way, I know that if I have accepted something nobody would say or make a remark that would be negative.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Everybody says that, “If he agrees, than it is okay.”</p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> I knew that my children will not make a mistake or take a wrong position knowingly. And if even they have taken a wrong position knowingly, I would scold them in private, but I would stand by them.</p>
<p><strong>GG: Baba, do you want to say something about the first time you met me? I came with Bear [my father’s golden lab]…</strong></p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Yeah, what I remember, is that I had my own expectations. And I feel that I was quite happy that you met most of those.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>But not all…</p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> Hmmm, but, mostly. Because one this is that you were very easy-going, you were not stiff, you didn’t want to show off, that is what impressed me most.  Generally what happens is that, I feel, courtship is a process of selling.</p>
<p><strong>GG: </strong>To Aditya or to you?</p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> No, anybody. Why? You see, when it is not marriage, it is courtship… I am meeting somebody for two or three hours. I put on my best dress, my best perfume, comb my hair thrice, twice shave. That is because I want to create an impression. But in married life, what we find, early in the morning before brushing your teeth you meet your husband. So that is a completely different [thing]. Before you get into that relation,  you are trying to make an impression &#8211; like packaging of any consumer goods… The packaging is good, you accept it, only after opening do you know, uh-oh, mistake, mistake. &lt;Baba shakes his finger&gt;</p>
<p>&lt;general laughter&gt;</p>
<p>Okay. Therefore, generally, when somebody comes on such thing, my impression is that they try to impress. If elders are present in India that happens. Like when I went to meet Maa, the whole family was looking at me [to see] what I [would] do.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>But, you know…</p>
<p><strong>Baba:</strong> That is different! We will talk to you afterwards. You will get your chance, okay!</p>
<p>&lt;general laughter&gt;</p>
<p>Anything that is possible! The meals that the would-be bride has not cooked, they are produced as if she has cooked. The handiwork that she has not done, they will try to [show it off]. And if she has done, they will come running, “She has done it!” They will make her sit…</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>Earlier…</p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>Okay, nowadays they don’t do it, but something like it still goes on. Therefore, I always say, that salesmanship part of it I wanted to eliminate. After that, the person I can meet, he or she is the right person. When you came, you came like a girl next door, you were very easy-going, you didn’t have the hesitation for the first time, meeting a foreigner, [meeting] Aditya’s father, and when you have got all those horrible pictures of Indian in-laws…</p>
<p>&lt;general laughter&gt;</p>
<p>Yet, after that, the way you came and reacted was quite good.</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">I wish I <em>had</em> arrived like the girl next door &#8211; instead, I arrived a bit sweaty from the mile &amp; a half walk from my dad&#8217;s house to Dada&#8217;s place, where Maa and Baba were staying. But Bear got a nice long walk out of it, and I got bonus points for bringing the dog along.<br />
</span></h5>
<p><strong>GG: And so what expectation didn’t I meet? Maa said that I didn’t meet all the expectations.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Baba: </strong>No, that is what Maa has said. I have not said it as of yet.</p>
<p><strong>Maa: </strong>That I will say after the interview. Off record!</p>
<h5><span style="color: #800000;">I ended up badgering them into telling at least one expectation I failed to meet &#8220;on record&#8221; &#8211; but that will have to wait for the next part of the interview!</span></h5>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a short few days the only hope I'll have in the blearly mornings is that it might just be Bagel Monday in the office.  When I crawl out of my sleep coma, you see, sophisticated details like which day of the week it is are completely beyond me - any day <em>could be</em> Bagel Monday. My primitave mind is only concerned with two things: getting our dogs, <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gorigirl/3554987394/">Kajol &#38; Panda</a> to shut up and stop wrestling on my larynx and/or bladder, and what sustenance awaits me that might be a good enough incentive to get out of bed.

This past month, though, Bagel Monday has diminished in significance, and glorious 20 Ounces of Ginger Tea <em>Everyday</em> (With Biscuits!) has replaced it as my main morning motivator.

I love it when my in-laws are staying with us.

Note that I didn't say visiting us - that would imply that Aditya's parents are house guests while they're here, while, <a title="Wait, I thought this was MY house" href="http://gorigirl.com/wait-i-thought-this-was-my-house">as Baba says, it's their home too</a>. Granted, our daily life changes some when Maa and Baba are here in Washington DC, the morning tea being just one example, but the changes are more minor than many people who hear my in-laws are in-town would expect. Since we're coming to the close of Maa &#38; Baba's second extended stay out here (they were here last year in the late summer, and will be visiting once more this year), I thought that it'd be good time to write about the "typical day" in our household while Aditya's parents are here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a short few days the only hope I&#8217;ll have in the bleary mornings is that it might just be Bagel Monday in the office.  When I crawl out of my sleep coma, you see, sophisticated details like which day of the week it is are completely beyond me &#8211; any day <em>could be</em> Bagel Monday. My primitave mind is only concerned with two things: getting our dogs, <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gorigirl/3554987394/">Kajol &amp; Panda</a> to shut up and stop wrestling on my larynx and/or bladder, and what sustenance awaits me that might be a good enough incentive to get out of bed.</p>
<p>This past month, though, Bagel Monday has diminished in significance, and glorious 20 Ounces of Ginger Tea <em>Everyday</em> (With Biscuits!) has replaced it as my main morning motivator.</p>
<p>I love it when my in-laws are staying with us.</p>
<p>Note that I didn&#8217;t say visiting us &#8211; that would imply that Aditya&#8217;s parents are house guests while they&#8217;re here, while, <a title="Wait, I thought this was MY house" href="http://gorigirl.com/wait-i-thought-this-was-my-house">as Baba says, it&#8217;s their home too</a>. Granted, our daily life changes some when Maa and Baba are here in Washington DC, the morning tea being just one example, but the changes are more minor than many people who hear my in-laws are in-town would expect. Since we&#8217;re coming to the close of Maa &amp; Baba&#8217;s second extended stay out here (they were here last year in the late summer, and will be visiting once more this year), I thought that it&#8217;d be good time to write about the &#8220;typical day&#8221; in our household while Aditya&#8217;s parents are here.<span id="more-831"></span></p>
<h3>A regular ol&#8217; day</h3>
<p>As previously mentioned, when I wake up in the morning, there is always (magically!) a beer stein&#8217;s worth of ginger tea waiting for me. Aditya&#8217;s and my cell alarms both go off at seven am, because we like to pretend we&#8217;ll get up and do something worthwhile, like go running with the dogs. Instead, we watch the dogs pretend that they&#8217;re  WWF fighters until Maa knocks on the door around seven thirty letting us know that the tea is ready. I&#8217;m not altogether sure when Maa &amp; Baba wake up, although I&#8217;ve heard rumors of unholy risings at 0&#8242;butt thirty.</p>
<p>Aditya and I will stumble across the hall to the other bedroom, where our tea is waiting on a tray Maa &amp; Baba&#8217;s bed, along with biscuits to nibble on &#8211; typically we have some semi-bland Indian cookies, like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parle-G">Parle-Gs</a>, although today we had the all-American <a href="http://www.verybestbaking.com/recipes/detail.aspx?ID=18476">Tollhouse Chocolate Chip Cookies</a> I baked on Sunday (secret tip: always put in half a teaspoon extra vanilla). While sipping our morning tea we discuss the day&#8217;s plans, the state of Indian cricket, and recent news, including what Baba has already read on BBCnews.com that morning. Well, Aditya and his parents talk &#8211; about 50/50 in English and Bengali &#8211; and I attempt to gather my wits. I think today mostly consisted of Aditya trying to explain why <a title="CNN's Anderson Cooper vs. Sarah Palin's Spokeswomen" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0XRot6ydGM&amp;eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com%2Farchives%2F2009%2F07%2Fuhh.php&amp;feature=player_embedded">this video</a> and the phrase &#8220;the world is <em>literlly </em>her oyster&#8221; are so funny.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll chat until a little after eight, then Aditya and I will hurry to get ready for the work day. Last summer Maa and Baba traveled into DC once or twice a week to visit the various Smithsonians &#8211; which meant that bathroom real estate was a prime commodity in the mornings-, but this time they&#8217;ve hung around at home the majority of the time. By a quarter to nine Aditya is out the door to face the horror that is I-66 during rush hour, and I follow a half an hour or so later, after a quick walk &amp; <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gorigirl/3554987514/in/set-72157612141097985/">&#8220;tennis ball session&#8221;</a> with the pups.</p>
<p>What happens at the house while Aditya and I are at work is largely a mystery to me, something that I piece together from various clues after returning home. The house often looks much cleaner than when I left. Dishes for dinner are already cooked (which makes it somewhat difficult to learn new Indian recipes from Maa). A newspaper will be on the table, despite the fact that we don&#8217;t have a subscription. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn_Notice">Burn Notice</a> dvd that arrived the night before from Netflix will inevitably be ready to go out again (Maa has developed an addiction to that show that borders on the level of <a href="http://gorigirl.com/the-in-laws-have-landed">my CoffyBite addiction</a>).</p>
<p>Aditya and I get off work sometime between six and seven thirty and are met at the door by more chai &amp; chatting. Often this will transition to a <a href="http://www.pagat.com/jass/29.html">game of Twenty Nine</a>, which is pretty much my favorite partner-based card game ever.  Yesterday we played a cutthroat game until ten or so before finally stopping to heat up dinner, and I learned a new Bengali cuss word, courtesy of Baba after I dealt him yet another amazingly awful hand.</p>
<p>Dinner is normally some combination of lentils, rice, and one or two chicken/fish/prawns/vegetable Indian dishes, prepared by Maa. It&#8217;s always amazing, altho a bit richer than I&#8217;m used to &#8211; I&#8217;ve gained 6 pounds in the past month. By eleven Maa &amp; Baba retire to bed, while Aditya and I hang out, catch some TV, and likely work a bit on our laptops until midnight. And at some point in there the dogs get a long walk or a jog if the weather is cool and my willpower &amp; injured leg are feeling up to it (the lack of jogging may also have something to do with those 6 pounds&#8230;).</p>
<p>I feel pretty bad that we&#8217;ve been working such long hours, but there&#8217;s not much we can do about it. While we haven&#8217;t been able to take days off during the week this summer for day trips, we&#8217;ve been going out to eat at unique ethnic restaurants in the evenings. Ethiopian from <a href="http://www.urbanspoon.com/nf/7/651/623/DC/U-Street-Shaw/Ethiopian-Eritrean-Restaurants">DC&#8217;s famous U Street</a> has been the favorite so far. Weekends have also been pretty chill, with a focus on running various errands and recovering from the week, although we did get into DC to check out the <a href="http://twitpic.com/96ty6">Hope Diamond</a> at the Natural History Museum &amp; the fireworks over the Fourth of July weekend.</p>
<p>Maa and Baba leave for California on Thursday, so you can expect some more regular blogging from then on. Last night, after our marathon Twenty Nine session, they sat down for an interview on <em>their</em> take on intercultural relationships, which I&#8217;ll be posting as soon as I can transcribe it.  I also plan on writing some more on their time here, and the lessons I&#8217;ve learned from having them stay.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aditya's parents are visiting us again for the second time - they arrived late last week - which has cut into my blogging time as we catch up with them.  Of course, it also means <em>plenty</em> of blogging material is being generated with our temporary extended family living situation. The last time they visited I only got out one <a title="Wait, I thought this was MY house" href="http://gorigirl.com/wait-i-thought-this-was-my-house">substantive post</a> on the topic - I hope to do a bit better this time. Of course, that post - which was on the (eek!) <em>order</em> that Aditya's parents tried to bring to our home, disrupting my chaotic-but-somehow-functional mess of a system - still haunts us. Today Baba and Maa dusted and vacuumed the house while we at work - and then jokingly pointed out after I arrived home that my piles of mess were <em>exactly</em> where I left them, just cleaner.

(Little do they know that  if I am stymied in blogging about their dastardly actions of cleaning our house &#38; cooking delicious meals I have no problem in getting irrationally upset about some other minor issue. For example: the fridge has been reorganized without my express permission, and the dishwasher was inefficiently loaded, resulting in one less cup being washed than if <em>I</em> had loaded it. I'm <em>still </em>reeling!)

Since I haven't had a chance to sit down and think through a post lately, I thought I'd share with you the transcript I've typed up in spare minutes from an NPR segment called <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10184979">Intercultural Relationships: Can They Work?</a>. I'm not a professional transcriber, so there may be errors - but I figured something was better than nothing for those of you who can't (or don't like to) listen to podcasts. The segment (and my post title) was developed from an article in <a href="http://www.eastwestmagazine.com/index.php">East West Magazine</a>. The article, which you can find <a title="To Hug or Not to Hug" href="http://www.jenniferkim.net/index_files/hug.htm">here</a>, is quite complimentary to the NPR segment, and I encourage you to read it as well as the transcript below. I've bolded the parts I find particularly interesting, and will post my thoughts on it tomorrow in the comments section.]]></description>
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Aditya&#8217;s parents are visiting us again for the second time &#8211; they arrived late last week &#8211; which has cut into my blogging time as we catch up with them.  Of course, it also means <em>plenty</em> of blogging material is being generated with our temporary extended family living situation. The last time they visited I only got out one <a title="Wait, I thought this was MY house" href="http://gorigirl.com/wait-i-thought-this-was-my-house">substantive post</a> on the topic &#8211; I hope to do a bit better this time. Of course, that post &#8211; which was on the (eek!) <em>order</em> that Aditya&#8217;s parents tried to bring to our home, disrupting my chaotic-but-somehow-functional mess of a system &#8211; still haunts us. Today Baba and Maa dusted and vacuumed the house while we at work &#8211; and then jokingly pointed out after I arrived home that my piles of mess were <em>exactly</em> where I left them, just cleaner.</p>
<p>(Little do they know that  if I am stymied in blogging about their dastardly actions of cleaning our house &amp; cooking delicious meals I have no problem in getting irrationally upset about some other minor issue. For example: the fridge has been reorganized without my express permission, and the dishwasher was inefficiently loaded, resulting in one less cup being washed than if <em>I</em> had loaded it. I&#8217;m <em>still </em>reeling!)</p>
<p>Since I haven&#8217;t had a chance to sit down and think through a post lately, I thought I&#8217;d share with you the transcript I&#8217;ve typed up in spare minutes from an NPR segment called <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10184979">Intercultural Relationships: Can They Work?</a>. I&#8217;m not a professional transcriber, so there may be errors &#8211; but I figured something was better than nothing for those of you who can&#8217;t (or don&#8217;t like to) listen to podcasts. The segment (and my post title) was developed from an article in <a href="http://www.eastwestmagazine.com/index.php">East West Magazine</a>. The article, which you can find <a title="To Hug or Not to Hug" href="http://www.jenniferkim.net/index_files/hug.htm">here</a>, is quite complimentary to the NPR segment, and I encourage you to read it as well as the transcript below. I&#8217;ve bolded the parts I find particularly interesting, and will post my thoughts on it tomorrow in the comments section.<span id="more-819"></span></p>
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<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>NPR:</strong> </span>It’s time for a regular visit with one of our cultural coaches. Today: “You’re marrying <em>him</em>?” Wedding season is around the corner; brides and grooms will be blushing their way down aisles across America. So what better time to ask an expert about what you might need to know if you’re heading to commitment with a person with a different racial or ethnic background? We got this idea from our friends at East West Magazine; the April/May issue has a feature called “To hug or not to hug” about how to handle that all-important meeting with the parents.</p>
<p>And joining us now from Phoenix is Anita Malik. She is editor of East West Magazine. And from her office in Poughkeepsie, New York, we’re pleased to be joined by Lubna Somjee, a psychologist; she’s quoted in the article. Thanks for being here ladies!</p>
<p>Anita, why did you commission this article? You must have been hearing about this from readers or perhaps from personal experience?</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800000;">Anita:</span> </strong>A little bit of both. Actually, simply put, interracial marriages and couplings are growing at a very increasing rate and we tend to focus with that a lot with the magazine, but had never done anything where &#8211; how do you deal with this within your own family and with your parents? And that was something we were hearing from readers, that, you know, <strong>it’s great to know that the statistics are there, and that this is happening, but how do we deal with it in our own lives, with our own unique circumstances?</strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800000;">NPR:</span> </strong>And Dr. Somjee, you are offering tips &#8211; or you offered some tips in the magazine &#8211; but in the years in which you’ve been practicing, and you’ve worked with couples around these issues, are there some classic cultural clashes that you’ve seen?</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Dr. Somjee:</strong></span> Yes, I mean, I’ve definitely seen some classic cultural clashes. Although many times, people have been able to sort of work through them. <strong>One of the classic issues is when neither parties have sort of prepped themselves for what to expect when they meet the parents. They think they have, but they really haven’t.</strong> Although most of the time those meetings have gone fairly well, in spite of.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>NPR:</strong></span> Is that really the case? I just wonder whether, over the course of your practice, do most of the couples that come to you, do they eventually stay together, or do you see couples breaking up because of these differences?</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Dr. Somjee:</strong> </span>Most of the couples I see do stay together, but I would not say that it was very rare that some couples would break up. For example, a young couple I worked with had an interracial union and met each other’s families, and it wasn’t until they met each other’s families that it sort of punctuated for them how different their backgrounds were. And <strong>they came home, and for the first time had a much more serious, in-depth discussion of how their culture impacts their every day lives and realized how different their views were on a lot of things. And unfortunately, for that couple, their differences were irreconcilable.</strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>NPR: </strong></span>Anita, you mention in the article, I’m sorry, which I know you didn’t write, but, you know, you edited it, that in every culture meeting the parents can be kind of fraught with anxiety, but in the Asian culture, in couples where there may be an Asian or Asian-American partner, it can be particularly stressful. Why is that?</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Anita:</strong></span> Asian immigrant parents typically have a very set view of who their children should marry. It’s a different type of relationship, but every family has their own traditions, and sometimes a lot of that becomes very, very specific to what the parents want. It’s just a very different child-parent relationship. It gets a little bit more tricky, and so it can be difficult.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>NPR:</strong></span> What were some of the scenarios that were described in the article? I thought it was hilarious, actually…</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800000;">Anita:</span> </strong>There’s a lot of humor to this too, and<strong> I think that’s the important lesson: that you need to be able to actually laugh at yourself when you make &#8211; you’re going to make faux pas when you meet the parents. </strong>But the title of the piece actually comes from one scenario where both parts of the couple were Asian, from two different countries. And one family was very warm… the parents wanted to hug everybody, and the other family couldn’t really handle the hugs. And so that became an issue between the couple, and they finally came to a point where they said, &#8220;Well, this is how my family is going to be, and this is how your family is going to be, and they’re going to have to work it out.&#8221;</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>NPR:</strong></span> So, Dr. Somjee, help us here. In a situation like that, where the parents are meeting for the first time, what advice do you offer to make it go smoothly? Or maybe, maybe making it go smoothly isn’t the whole point of the thing, just to be honest. I don’t know – tell us.</p>
<p><span style="color: #888888;"><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Dr. Somjee:</strong></span> </span>When you’re meeting someone’s family, knowing what their ethnic background is, or their racial background or religion obviously is important, but it’s only a first basic step. And really, <strong>the most important thing to understand is, what is that family’s relationship to each of its cultural variables. Otherwise you kinda get on a slippery slope in terms of making assumptions to stereotyping.</strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>NPR: </strong></span>So how would that information best be acquired? Do you try to be very explicit with the partner and say, “Alright, are your parents huggers or not? Will they expect me to bring a present? If so, what kind?”</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Dr. Somjee:</strong></span> There’s a couple ways to do that. One is, you know, <strong>get a sense of what the expectations of the meeting are from your significant other.</strong> Is it going to be a casual or formal get together? But the other piece of it is, your significant other is often steeped in their own culture so things that may be commonplace to them, they may not even think to tell you. And <strong>I think one of the best ways to get information from your significant other is through storytelling. Try to have your significant other tell you stories that illustrate different occasions in your family, or different traditions in the family.</strong></p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800000;">NPR:</span> </strong>I have an email that I wanted to share with both of you, ladies. And it says:</p>
<p>“This might be a good question for your coach. I just had a second date with a lovely professional woman who was born in and raised in Sapporo, Japan. She now works in the same East Coast city that I do. Our third date is this weekend. I’m a professional African-American man. What should I know about the Asian approach to dating? Is there such a thing? The first date ended in her bowing, when in Rome, I thought, so I bowed too. The second date ended with a hug &amp; a smile, so I hugged her and smiled back. So far, so good I’m thinking. We’re able to talk for hours… but what do I need to keep in mind?”</p>
<p>So, who wants to start, Anita, is this a common scenario among readers?</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800000;">Anita:</span> </strong>Yeah, I think so. Apparently she’s a little more traditional. It sounds like she actually has immigrated from Japan and not necessarily born here and in that case, I think he just really needs to ask her. But I would say, speak to her about how her family would feel… ahead of time.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800000;">NPR:</span> </strong>Interesting. Dr. Somjee, what do you think?</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800000;">Dr. Somjee:</span> </strong>Part of it depends on, are you dating to date, or are you dating to marry? Because if someone is asked that question &amp; is scared off by it, at least you know where they are in terms of their dating and what they want from it.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800000;">NPR:</span> So what I’m hearing you say is, “ask the questions sooner rather than later”.</strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Dr. Somjee: </strong></span>Absolutely.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>NPR:</strong></span> I’m so glad I’m married.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Anita:</strong></span> Hard, isn’t it, this dating thing.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800000;">NPR:</span> </strong>It is hard! You all have my respect. Dr. Somjee, I understand you are also interculturally married. If it’s not too personal, can you offer any guidelines from your personal experience?</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Dr. Somjee: </strong></span>Yes, I’ve been married and in a relationship with my husband for about ten years. He is white and I am South Asian and I actually come from a community where arranged marriages are absolutely still the norm. <strong>So when my husband was to meet my parents, I prepped myself… and I prepped my parents.</strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>NPR:</strong></span> What about persons who perhaps weren’t welcomed so warmly into the fold? How would you advise them to move beyond that?</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>Dr. Somjee:</strong> </span>One thing is, you know, you may have an opportunity to meet the family again and again. And if so, take advantage of those opportunities by getting to know them better. <strong>You know, unfortunately, there may be some families who ultimately say, “You know what, we cannot do this. No matter how nice you may be, no matter how much we like you in general, this is not something we can accept in our family.” And at this point you as a couple have to decide whether you’re willing to take the risk, and those are hard questions you’ll have to ask yourself before you even start this process.</strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><strong>NPR:</strong> </span>But, hard questions that have to be asked.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800000;">Dr. Somjee:</span> </strong>Yeah.</p>
<p>[End Transcript]</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to hear everyone thoughts on <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10184979">this NPR piece</a>, and <a href="http://www.jenniferkim.net/index_files/hug.htm">the accompying article</a> from East West Magazine. Good advice, bad advice? Is &#8220;ask questions sooner rather than later&#8221; a good policy to follow? Anyone tried storytelling as a way to learn about family customs?</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I share my office with a Chinese-American man. My team at work consists of said office mate, an Indian-American (Gujarati) guy, a Turkish fellow, a white dude from the Midwest, my Taiwanese female boss, and three Indians in our Delhi office (two Mr.'s and a Ms.). The offices closest to mine include said Turkish fellow, a Bangladeshi bloke, an Indian (Bengali) lady, a Ghanaian-American gent, a French woman, and a Nepalese chap. <em>Really.</em> For those of you keeping count, that's two Caucasian Americans (including myself) out of fourteen folk. With numbers like those, as you may guess, I don't talk to white Americans all that much while at work. (Or women, either - but that's what you get for working in a field dominated by economists and engineers.) However, even when I step outside the office, I've found that I don't interact with a many people - or, really, more than a handful of people -  who appear to be from the same general cultural &#38; racial background as my own. Frankly, it's a little odd now that I think about it.]]></description>
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I share my office with a Chinese-American man. My team at work consists of said office mate, an Indian-American (Gujarati) guy, a Turkish fellow, a white dude from the Midwest, my Taiwanese female boss, and three Indians in our Delhi office (two Mr.&#8217;s and a Ms.). The offices closest to mine include said Turkish fellow, a Bangladeshi bloke, an Indian (Bengali) lady, a Ghanaian-American gent, a French woman, and a Nepalese chap. <em>Really.</em> For those of you keeping count, that&#8217;s two Caucasian Americans (including myself) out of fourteen folk. With numbers like th&gt;ose, as you may guess, I don&#8217;t talk to white Americans all that much while at work. (Or women, either &#8211; but that&#8217;s what you get for working in a field dominated by economists and engineers.) However, even when I step outside the office, I&#8217;ve found that I don&#8217;t interact with a many people &#8211; or, really, more than a handful of people -  who appear to be from the same general cultural &amp; racial background as my own. Frankly, it&#8217;s a little odd now that I think about it.<span id="more-349"></span></p>
<p>Most of the blame for this &#8220;situation&#8221;, so to speak, <em>could</em> simply be laid at the feet of circumstance or chance &#8211; we happen to live in a very multicultural area, participate in activities that naturally bring a diverse crowd, and my choice of careers was more due to, you know, the <em>job</em> I would be doing than the diversity of people at my office. But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s as simple as chance &#8211; the choices Aditya and I have made both individually and as a couple, as well as our prior experiences, have made an outcome like this probable.</p>
<p>So.  This past week I&#8217;ve been thinking more about cross-cultural connections <em>outside</em> of my intercultural marriage with Aditya. How do these two spheres of life &#8211; home &amp; husband and outside work &amp; community &#8211; interact with each other? There&#8217;s no doubt that my relationship with Aditya has given me a fair bit of traction with the South Asians I run into &#8211; but how has it affected my relationships with people from other cultures? And how has working with an office full of immigrants and different cultures changed my marriage?</p>
<p>Obviously, the answers to these questions will be complex &#8211; which is why I&#8217;ll be discussing my thoughts on this subject in a series of posts. But the keystone to my ideas lies in the lovely concept of <strong>intercultural communicative competence</strong>. This term was developed as part of an effort by theorists of foreign language instruction a decade ago, and has slowly been evolving in the intercultural studies academic community. The initial discussions of this topic related to how instructors could teach their language learners how to <em>communicate</em> in a foreign language with real, live foreign people &#8211; not just speak a bunch of funny-sounding words. Mostly it involved learning the specifics of the culture associated with the language &#8211; things like &#8220;Germans are überpunctual &#8211; if you&#8217;re on time, you&#8217;re actually late.&#8221; Since then, though, the idea has expanded to incorporate both the specific knowledge <em>and </em>the skill set that all people who interact cross-culturally &#8211; i.e. <strong>intercultural learners</strong> &#8211; need to have to be successful, whether they&#8217;re speaking a foreign tongue or not.</p>
<p>This skill set is what I believe translates back and forth between my relationship with Aditya and my cross-cultural relationships out in the community &#8211; and each one is strengthened by the other. Next I&#8217;ll start delving into the specifics of what constitutes competent intercultural learning, but before then I&#8217;d love to hear what everyone&#8217;s initial thoughts on this matter are. Do you have many cross-cultural connections out in your community or workplace? Do you think it&#8217;s affected your closer personal relationship with a friend or significant other from another culture? Anyone else feel like they work for the U.N.?</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was <em>really</em> early in the morning, you see, when the dogs informed us that they needed to go out. My turn to let them out, unfortunately, but afterwards the three of us agreed the hike back upstairs was too long, so we settled on the couch for a nap until the sun was properly up. Well, Kajol - a total snugglebunny - and I settled on the couch, and Panda slept on the cool floor next to us.

Panda Bear is the latest addition to our family, and, as an Alaskan Malamute, he tends to be a bit too warm to snuggle comfortably for that long indoors. He's about two and a half years old, and another rescue dog - poor pup spent most of his life tied in a field with grass so high he couldn't see out of it before Animal Cruelty rescued him. When he came to us he was twenty pounds underweight and didn't know what a treat was or how to play with another dog. He's still a bit of a failure with treats - he's excited to get one, but just drops it afterwards for Kajol to eat. Kajol, however, has taught him to play like a champion at the only game she knows: wrestling. We often look out onto the deck to see Kajol's head disappearing into Panda's massive jaw, or him just calmly sitting on Kajol while she struggles to get free.

They're a well-matched pair, despite being from such different breeds - and I suppose there's a semi-corny lesson in there for all of us in an intercultural relationship, or, really, any mixed relationship where looks or personalities or abilities differ.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/Kajol-and-Panda.jpg"><img src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/Kajol-and-Panda.jpg" alt="" title="Kajol and Panda" width="540" height="210" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1553" /></a>It was <em>really</em> early in the morning, you see, when the dogs informed us that they needed to go out. My turn to let them out, unfortunately, but afterwards the three of us agreed the hike back upstairs was too long, so we settled on the couch for a nap until the sun was properly up. Well, Kajol &#8211; a total snugglebunny &#8211; and I settled on the couch, and Panda slept on the cool floor next to us.</p>
<p>Panda Bear is the latest addition to our family, and, as an Alaskan Malamute, he tends to be a bit too warm to snuggle comfortably for that long indoors. He&#8217;s about two and a half years old, and another rescue dog &#8211; poor pup spent most of his life tied in a field with grass so high he couldn&#8217;t see out of it before Animal Cruelty rescued him. When he came to us he was twenty pounds underweight and didn&#8217;t know what a treat was or how to play with another dog. He&#8217;s still a bit of a failure with treats &#8211; he&#8217;s excited to get one, but just drops it afterwards for Kajol to eat. Kajol, however, has taught him to play like a champion at the only game she knows: wrestling. We often look out onto the deck to see Kajol&#8217;s head disappearing into Panda&#8217;s massive jaw, or him just calmly sitting on Kajol while she struggles to get free.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re a well-matched pair, despite being from such different breeds &#8211; and I suppose there&#8217;s a semi-corny lesson in there for all of us in an intercultural relationship, or, really, any mixed relationship where looks or personalities or abilities differ.<span id="more-195"></span></p>
<p>Panda&#8217;s main weakness &#8211; a general shyness and fear of new things and people, due to his poor socialization as a young dog &#8211; has never been a problem for Kajol. The first few times I went hiking with them poor Panda was scared silly of water crossings and rock scrambles, while Kajol is fearlessness personified while on the trail. He follows her lead there, and also when we go shopping at some of the dog-friendly stores in the area. It&#8217;d be hilarious to see a Malamute quaking in fear of a shopping cart at Petco, if it weren&#8217;t a sad reminder of of his history.</p>
<p>Panda&#8217;s strengths, though, are one&#8217;s we wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing Kajol emulate. He&#8217;s an incredibly <em>chill</em> dog &#8211; very easy-going and relaxed when he&#8217;s in familar surroundings. Kajol, on the other hand, still has puppy-brain, and has been known to clear the sofa <em>and</em> coffee table in one bound when excited. She&#8217;s starting to take her cues from him, though. Recently she jumped on Aditya in excitement and Panda growled in disapproval &#8211; and Kajol didn&#8217;t jump on Aditya for the following week. She also likes to stick close by him when out on walks.</p>
<p>As far as how <em>our</em> mixed relationship affects the dogs &#8211; well, it doesn&#8217;t, much.  Aditya claims that they know more Bengali than I, which is patently false &#8211; I&#8217;m <em>sure</em> they&#8217;re just responding to the tone of his voice, not the words. *grin* We&#8217;re both on the same page as far as training is concerned, and we share the responsibilities of care and upkeep, like any modern couple with their pups.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit to being a bit worried about training when Aditya&#8217;s parents came for a long visit &#8211; this was pre-Panda. But that&#8217;s another post.</p>
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		<title>Any Chicagoites Interested in Some Press?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know we have some ladies (and perhaps gentlemen) here who call the Windy City home. Well, if any of you are interested, I've recently been contacted by a Chicago Tribune's Red Eye reporter, Alexia, about an article she's preparing to write on "meeting the parents." Alexia would like to include an intercultural couple in the article, and was wondering if anyone here would be interested in being interviewed:
<blockquote>I'm a reporter with  the Chicago Tribune's RedEye newspaper, a daily aimed at readers in their 20s  and 30s. I stumbled across your blog while doing research for a story I'm  writing. I'm wondering if you might be able to help with the story, given  your blog's focus on intercultural relationship issues.</blockquote>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know we have some ladies (and perhaps gentlemen) here who call the Windy City home. Well, if any of you are interested, I&#8217;ve recently been contacted by a Chicago Tribune&#8217;s Red Eye reporter, Alexia, about an article she&#8217;s preparing to write on &#8220;meeting the parents.&#8221; Alexia would like to include an intercultural couple in the article, and was wondering if anyone here would be interested in being interviewed:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m a reporter with  the Chicago Tribune&#8217;s RedEye newspaper, a daily aimed at readers in their 20s  and 30s. I stumbled across your blog while doing research for a story I&#8217;m  writing. I&#8217;m wondering if you might be able to help with the story, given  your blog&#8217;s focus on intercultural relationship issues.<span id="more-158"></span></p>
<p>The story is about  that stage of dating when you must meet your significant other&#8217;s parents. It can  be one of the more stressful encounters for anyone, as you worry that they won&#8217;t  like you, or you won&#8217;t like them, or that you&#8217;ll fail miserably at small talk.  And it seems that dating someone from a very different culture can add yet  another layer of stress. I saw some of the postings on your blog from people who  said their boyfriend&#8217;s Indian parents were less than  welcoming.</p>
<p>While my story isn&#8217;t  specifically about intercultural relationships, I would like to include an  example from an intercultural relationship, as I think it&#8217;s a somewhat unique  experience yet something lots of people can relate to. Do you happen to  know of anyone in Chicago who has had a particularly noteworthy meet-the-parents  experience? Or is there any way to put a note up on your blog to see if  anyone is interested in being in the story? It would be great to find someone  who&#8217;s had an experience that represents some of the challenges and conflicts  (sometimes funny, sometimes serious) that come up when meeting the parents, and  how those issues were ultimately resolved. As I said, the focus of the  story isn&#8217;t intercultural relationships, but I think it would be an important  component. The story as a whole will tell the stories of several  people&#8217;s meet-the-parents experiences, plus give some tips for a smooth  encounter, such as: conversation topics to avoid; good ice breakers; how to  deal with particularly touchy situations (very different political viewpoints,  for example); how important it is for you to get along with your  significant other&#8217;s parents in order for the relationship to  succeed, etc.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for  any help. I&#8217;d ideally like to talk to someone in Chicago who would be willing to  have his/her name in the paper.</p></blockquote>
<p>If anyone is interested, shoot me an email (gorigirl.admin@gmail.com), and I&#8217;ll pass along your contact information to Alexia. I do suggest you check with your significant other, and perhaps his/her parents first, though, just to make sure they&#8217;re comfortable with it. (I only caution this because I&#8217;ve run off half cocked before, sharing all sorts of news with others, only to get the stink eye from Aditya later for telling things he considered private. We all have different comfort levels regarding sharing family stuff.)</p>
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		<title>Indian Parental Problems: When Your Intercultural or Interracial Relationship Is Suddenly an Issue</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ A new reader to the blog, jbf, recently posted her personal story as a detailed comment in the post <a title="Initial Family Resistence to your Intercultural Relationship" href="http://gorigirl.com/initial-family-resistance-to-your-intercultural-relationship">Initial Family Resistance to your Intercultural Relationship</a>. Jbf's problem, however, is a bit different from the one highlighted in that post, so, with her permission, I'm hoisting her comment up into a post of its own, along with the comments from others that followed her original one. I'm sure she'd appreciate any further advice or suggestions you guys have. My own advice will be coming in the comments in a couple of hours. Of course, I'm not sure if I can do any better than what's been said so far - I'm very impressed with the level of thoughtful dialogue occuring here!
<h3>Jbf's story &#38; problems:</h3>
I’m not sure if it is too late to comment on this, but I just came across it while searching for comfort in my situation. My friends and family have given me their support, but in matters of intolerance I do not know if they can offer anything more. I (a 25 yo white American girl) have been dating an Indian guy (born in America to Punjabi parents who moved here 2 years prior) for two years. I will call him B. We both hold graduate degrees and have careers. We met while in graduate school through mutual friends. We lived in different cities but found out that our parents lived only 15 minutes from each other. We quickly became close and decided to start a relationship despite the distance. I met his family very early on. They were receptive and welcomed me into their home. I even spent the night on multiple occasions. When he would come visit me he would bring small gifts from his mother, candles, potpourri, etc. I spent Christmas with his immediate family the last two years (I have not met extended family beyond cousins as dating is not a part of Indian culture). He graduated and started a job about a year ago. Within a few months of this we decided that when I graduated in a year I would find a job where he was and that we would move in together with the intent of being engaged within a year. Although untraditional it was important to both of us to be together in the same place before making such a commitment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="left" title="Questions - by oberazzi" href="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/questions-oberazzi.JPG"><img class="alignleft" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/questions-oberazzi.JPG" alt="Questions - by oberazzi" /></a> A new reader to the blog, jbf, recently posted her personal story as a detailed comment in the post <a title="Initial Family Resistence to your Intercultural Relationship" href="http://gorigirl.com/initial-family-resistance-to-your-intercultural-relationship">Initial Family Resistance to your Intercultural Relationship</a>. Jbf&#8217;s problem, however, is a bit different from the one highlighted in that post, so, with her permission, I&#8217;m hoisting her comment up into a post of its own, along with the comments from others that followed her original one. I&#8217;m sure she&#8217;d appreciate any further advice or suggestions you guys have. My own advice will be coming in the comments in a couple of hours. Of course, I&#8217;m not sure if I can do any better than what&#8217;s been said so far &#8211; I&#8217;m very impressed with the level of thoughtful dialogue occuring here!</p>
<h3>Jbf&#8217;s story &amp; problems:</h3>
<p>I’m not sure if it is too late to comment on this, but I just came across it while searching for comfort in my situation. My friends and family have given me their support, but in matters of intolerance I do not know if they can offer anything more. I (a 25 yo white American girl) have been dating an Indian guy (born in America to Punjabi parents who moved here 2 years prior) for two years. I will call him B. We both hold graduate degrees and have careers. We met while in graduate school through mutual friends. We lived in different cities but found out that our parents lived only 15 minutes from each other. We quickly became close and decided to start a relationship despite the distance. I met his family very early on. They were receptive and welcomed me into their home. I even spent the night on multiple occasions. When he would come visit me he would bring small gifts from his mother, candles, potpourri, etc. I spent Christmas with his immediate family the last two years (I have not met extended family beyond cousins as dating is not a part of Indian culture). He graduated and started a job about a year ago. Within a few months of this we decided that when I graduated in a year I would find a job where he was and that we would move in together with the intent of being engaged within a year. Although untraditional it was important to both of us to be together in the same place before making such a commitment.<span id="more-143"></span></p>
<p>At this time (this past Christmas) while making the decision we wanted to include our families. His mom said that she would support us if we had a traditional Sikh wedding and that i always put family first. She stressed that she wanted a daughter and not just a daughter-in-law. She said she spoke to a few people in her family and that they were educated and would support us as long as my home was always open to them. She said this rather harshly, but it was still acceptance, however I knew it would never be the same as if I were brown. His mother has met my mother and sat in my parent’s house and spoke highly of me and told my mom she would want me as a daughter. B and I went over everything we could think of, what a wedding would mean, how we would raise children, expectation from each others families, holidays, etc. He spoke privately to 3 of his cousins and his mom to ask for their support. Everyone said it would be hard, that he should consider his own culture (as he has only dated white women), but that if this is what he wanted they would support him.</p>
<p>B is proud of his culture but does not want to give his children traditional names or go to temple with them. He and I agree with how we would want to start and raise a family. We are not religious people, he is an Atheist and his family has known this long before he and i ever met. B and I have similar morals and life goals. I have made an effort to learn names of people and food in Punjabi. He is not fluent himself. To put it into perspective, his cousins tease him that he is white. I took what his mother said very seriously and am ok with meeting her requests. She has even bought me a sari while in India.</p>
<p>I have accepted a job and moved in with B. It has been one month but we have quickly realized that we made a good choice and that we are happy together (more so than I would have imagined). For the last two months his mom has turned on he and i. She is condescending to me and cold to B. For example he and I were going to friend wedding and upon seeing my black conservative dress, she commented “oh yeah, you guys wear black to weddings” she then turned away from me and did not hug me when we left . She recently went to a white/Punjabi wedding and according to her other son has been very upset since. Last week B was in his parents town on a business trip and saw them for dinner. His mother gave him a letter and would not speak to him. The short page long letter said she has always been there for him and worked hard to raise him. That he owed her something, a marriage to a woman from his own culture and if he did anything other than that she would not be able to support him any longer. After additional dialogue it came out that she will not speak to or see anyone in my family again, that she will not be open to me, and that she will never forgive or open up to my boyfriend again. She says that her family sides with her as well. B’s father considers himself Switzerland and will not speak against our relationship or for it (he is a very passive man, but that is another story). My boyfriend’s only brother says he understands why we may continue our relationship but says that he would put family first and that B should consider it seriously himself. The only thing “wrong” with me is my race.</p>
<p>She has always been manipulative of B. Saying things like “oh you aren’t flying in to visit me this weekend because you don’t love me.” I do understand where she comes from (as best I can). She has an arranged marriage and although not abusive, still not good. Her own mother-in-law and her do not have a relationship. I do not understand how a mother can do this to her son. His whole life he was taught that as long as he was with someone who loved and respected him that he was doing the right thing. In high school he went to school dances with white girls and his mother cried and locked her self in her room for weeks. In college, she apologized and told B she was wrong. But now she calls B sleazy for living with me and is asking him to change his life. I understand “the ripple effect.” A mixed marriage does mean that people in the community will shun B’s parents. It makes me very sad. What hurts me is that she changed her own views. I have nothing else in my new town. I have a year commitment to my company. I am shaken to the core by this. What else is she capable of? There is no happy ending.<br />
The romantic movie ending of the boy choosing his love is not so. On our wedding day his mother and family would not be present and there would not be a chance of a future relationship. My own parents are very sad by this and have offered their support to B and I. My dad’s parents were immigrants from the Ukraine and while they have never treated my American mom the same as the rest of the Ukrainian family, they were still present for my dad’s major life events.</p>
<p>B and I have more talking to work through. He does not know what to do, nor do i. He knows that staying together would be good for us, but he also knows this would offer a lifetime of grief to his mother/family and no one accepting me (which I could endure I think, but I also think I could have a breaking point depending on how his family actually treats me to my face). If it were just the two of us a discussion is not even needed, we would be together. But family is a part of life and marriage.</p>
<p>I should tie this back to the original post, and I suppose I just want to say be prepared for the worst, but that it is an exercise to know how you both really feel. The exercise of learning about each others cultures and discussing each others expectations for life brought us closer together as a couple and opened my eyes to traditions and situations I would not have considered on my own. It sounds like you are both understanding and willing to work with each other, this has been one reason why my relationship has worked so well until now. It’s fun growing together and I wish you the best. It makes me happy that some people can overcome intolerance.</p>
<p><strong>Added:</strong> A year &amp; a half after this post was first published, jbf stopped by with an update in the <a href="http://gorigirl.com/indian-parental-problems-when-your-intercultural-or-interracial-relationship-is-suddenly-an-issue#comment-2895">comments section here</a>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday Aditya and I made the trek to the holy queen of all box stores, IKEA. It was the first day of the Preview Summer Sale, so <em>of course</em> we were there, battle plan mapped out, lists made, room measurements at hand, and stomaches ready for meatballs. The plan was that I would arrive mid-afternoon with the U-Haul rental van (the better to transport our loot - we take IKEA <em>seriously </em>in this household), and Aditya would come directly from the office once he was off work at 7. Once there, my orders were to make one reconnaissance sweep, then head to the ground floor to secure the bed we've been trying to purchase for the past <em>year</em>. Yes, we've been sleeping with a mattress on the floor for a year rather than give up on our <a title="Apartment Therapy: Mandal bed with storage" href="http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/ny/hot-tip/mandal-bed-with-storage-022540">dream cheapo bed</a> just because of little things like it always being out of stock.

We plan, and God laughs. I think it was when the third firetruck passed me, sirens blaring, and traffic ground to a complete standstill that I realized I would not be reaching IKEA at 1300 hours. There I sat, stalled on the highway, surveying the baking asphalt meadows around. To pass the time, I started observing the cooperation of the other drivers in responding to the emergency vehicles and the on-going traffic jam, and thinking about how other car cultures I'm familiar with cooperate in their own ways.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday Aditya and I made the trek to the holy queen of all box stores, IKEA. It was the first day of the Preview Summer Sale, so <em>of course</em> we were there, battle plan mapped out, lists made, room measurements at hand, and stomaches ready for meatballs. The plan was that I would arrive mid-afternoon with the U-Haul rental van (the better to transport our loot &#8211; we take IKEA <em>seriously </em>in this household), and Aditya would come directly from the office once he was off work at 7. Once there, my orders were to make one reconnaissance sweep, then head to the ground floor to secure the bed we&#8217;ve been trying to purchase for the past <em>year</em>. Yes, we&#8217;ve been sleeping with a mattress on the floor for a year rather than give up on our <a title="Apartment Therapy: Mandal bed with storage" href="http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/ny/hot-tip/mandal-bed-with-storage-022540">dream cheapo bed</a> just because of little things like it always being out of stock.</p>
<p>We plan, and God laughs. I think it was when the third firetruck passed me, sirens blaring, and traffic ground to a complete standstill that I realized I would not be reaching IKEA at 1300 hours. There I sat, stalled on the highway, surveying the baking asphalt meadows around. To pass the time, I started observing the cooperation of the other drivers in responding to the emergency vehicles and the on-going traffic jam, and thinking about how other car cultures I&#8217;m familiar with cooperate in their own ways.<span id="more-139"></span></p>
<h3>Americans: when the going gets tough, we get out of the way</h3>
<p>I&#8217;ve driven in pretty much every area of the US &#8211; West Coast, Midwest, South, East &#8211; and one thing that never fails to amaze me is how <em>good</em> American drivers are at clearing a path for emergency vehicles to get through. The highway I was traveling on yesterday had what looked like a 3 or 4 car pileup &#8211; all the lanes but one were completely blocked. Traffic was already moving slow prior to the accident, and the road had more than its fair share of idiots zigzagging to gain a few car-lengths advantage, or refusing to alternate when lanes were merging. Idiots on the road always worry me, but particularly so when I&#8217;m driving an unfamiliar van with massive blind spots.</p>
<p>Yet, when the first fire truck came by on the left shoulder the entire left lane cleared out to make room for it &#8211; and all the other lanes made room for them. And the same thing happened when the second truck came, the two ambulances, and then the final firetruck. Drivers who wouldn&#8217;t allow others an inch in their lanes prior to the alarms did whatever they could to make space. I&#8217;m not sure how this norm to <em>get out of the way</em> gets hammered into the admittedly thick heads of American drivers (road rage, anyone?), but somehow it does. In fact, I didn&#8217;t even notice it enough to remark upon until I&#8217;d traveled to a few developing countries where road rules and norms haven&#8217;t quite been established yet &#8211; people don&#8217;t <em>want</em> to block emergency vehicles, but there&#8217;s no agreed upon response to sirens in the distance. But that&#8217;s not to say that drivers in developing countries don&#8217;t have their own ways of cooperating with each other.</p>
<h3>Indians: always aware of where everyone is</h3>
<p>Traveling on roads in India can be a worrying &#8211; perhaps even terrifying &#8211; experience to those who aren&#8217;t used to it. I was certainly shocked, even though I intellectually knew what to expect. For those of you who haven&#8217;t had the chance to fear for your lives in India, think of the bumper car ride at your county fair except at the last second there&#8217;s no bump. Or, try checking out the video below, that perfectly reflects my experiences in Bombay &amp; Calcutta (except with 1/3 as many cars):<br />
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Yes, that&#8217;s really what it&#8217;s like. Except more cars, rickshaws, trucks, and motorcycles &amp; scooters, and occasionally animals.</p>
<p>However, did you notice how <em>aware</em> the drivers were of where the other vehicles were &#8211; at least the ones in front of them? I wouldn&#8217;t last a day driving in an Indian city without getting into at least one accident! That&#8217;s not because I&#8217;m a bad driver &#8211; <em>really</em> &#8211; but because I&#8217;m just not used to needing to be on top of the situation like that at every moment. I bet most Americans would have trouble surviving on India&#8217;s roads &#8211; they aren&#8217;t used to the give and take of Indian traffic patterns. Or the lack of,  you know, people following lanes and traffic lights and stuff. Despite these things, Indians have a system of cooperation on their roads that works for them. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the most <em>efficient</em> system &#8211; did you see how slow all of the vehicles were traveling in the video? &#8211; so I think it&#8217;d be a good idea for India to eventually adopt road rules &amp; norms that are more similar to the Western world&#8217;s to ease congestion.</p>
<p>Of course, sometimes the complete disregard Indians show towards rules, such as lane lines in the cities is a good thing, given Indian road design. A few blocks away from the house of Didi, my sister-in-law, was this gem &#8211; possibly my favorite road scene in Bombay:</p>
<p><a title="Bombay Road" href="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bombay-road.JPG"><img src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bombay-road.JPG" alt="Bombay Road" /></a></p>
<p>Yes, yes, I know, I can work wonders in Microsoft Paint. If you write me very nicely I might be willing to send you a signed copy of my masterpiece, <em>Bombay Road</em>. In case you can&#8217;t get the details from the impressionistic work (inspired by the blurry photos I took), the blobs with four black dots are cars, three are rickshaws, and two are scooters/motorcycles. Vehicle volume suggests a mid-afternoon setting. There&#8217;s a divider in the middle, which had some lovely bushes and <em>a massive tree</em> (the green blob dead center). The lane lines, which were quite fresh, didn&#8217;t account for the tree. Let&#8217;s hope the red rickshaw and green car don&#8217;t care too much about sticking in their current lane.</p>
<p>Surprisingly, the other major culture I know about is occacsionally willing to disregard lanes&#8230;</p>
<h3>Germans: the best drivers I&#8217;ve seen</h3>
<p>Of the nine months I lived in the country, I can&#8217;t recall one time I saw what I would characterize as &#8220;bad driving.&#8221; Now, that could just be a selection bias &#8211; I spent most of my time in a small town and rural area, where the traffic was light. But I imagine that the strict requirements for getting a license in Germany &#8211; long hours behind the wheel with a professional instructor, difficult written exam, stringent driving exam, heavy fees &#8211; results in better-than-the-American-average drivers. Maybe not by a lot, but probably some.</p>
<p>These requirements, I think, end up producing drivers that are a good combination of American &amp; Indian drivers &#8211; they&#8217;re good at following the rules of the road (in my experience much better than Americans), but have the awareness of their surroundings similar to the Indian drivers I&#8217;ve seen. This combination, though, leads to some driving behaviors that I think would be suicide in other countries. Witness the next amazing Gori masterpiece, inspired by the classic arcade game Frogger: <em>German Road.</em></p>
<p><a title="German Road" href="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/german-road.JPG"><img src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/german-road.JPG" alt="German Road" /></a><a title="German Road" href="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/german-road.JPG"> </a></p>
<p>If there exists a straight stretch of a road with <strong>only one lane</strong> in each direction &#8211; and decent shoulders &#8211; German drivers will <em>spontaneously</em> work together to create a middle lane for either side to use as a passing lane. The first time I was in a car &amp; saw this behavior &#8211; on a highway traveling at 90 km, no less &#8211; I freaked. With both sides on the shoulder as far as they could go, there were still only inches between them and the cars passing in the middle. If the drivers in the middle weren&#8217;t careful, of course, they could have a head-on collision when two cars traveling in opposite directions tried to pass simultaneous. One mistake by any of the cars, and an accident was almost certain.</p>
<p>And yet, I lived to tell the tale. And Germans continue to cooperate to create dangerous situations just so they can pass each other and go a bit faster. As do Americans, with their weaving in and out of traffic. And Indians with their &#8220;whatever works&#8221; rules. *grin* I suppose the lesson we can all draw from this is that, really, people, the world over, like to get where they&#8217;re going.</p>
<p>I eventually got where I was going too, and pulled up to IKEA only a couple of hours behind schedule.  And we finally have our bed. (And another bed for the guest room. And a dining table. And chairs. And other stuff. Let&#8217;s not discuss my IKEA addiction, please.)</p>
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		<title>Interracial Hate Crime in Elkhart, Indiana</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I've finished up with dreadful exams just in time to hear about a dreadful incident in northwest Indiana. According to the <a title="Elkhart cross burning investigated" href="http://www.wthitv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8301983">AP report</a>:
<blockquote>An interracial couple who awoke to find a burning cross in their front yard in Elkhart are praying for peace and asking for privacy.
<p class="ap-story-p">Maggie Williams says the cross burning took her and her husband, Adam, by surprise.</p>
<p class="ap-story-p">The FBI is investigating the cross burning, which police are calling a hate crime. Elkhart police say the 5 1/2 by 3 1/2 foot wooden cross was left burning against a tree about 15 feet from the couple's front door about 2:30 a.m. May 2.</p>
<p class="ap-story-p">The Williamses have met with Mayor Dick Moore and representatives from the police department, the FBI and the NAACP. Bradley Vite, a family friend, says they also expect to meet with a Department of Justice official.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve finished up with dreadful exams just in time to hear about a dreadful incident in northwest Indiana. According to the <a title="Elkhart cross burning investigated" href="http://www.wthitv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8301983">AP report</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>An interracial couple who awoke to find a burning cross in their front yard in Elkhart are praying for peace and asking for privacy.</p>
<p class="ap-story-p">Maggie Williams says the cross burning took her and her husband, Adam, by surprise.</p>
<p class="ap-story-p">The FBI is investigating the cross burning, which police are calling a hate crime. Elkhart police say the 5 1/2 by 3 1/2 foot wooden cross was left burning against a tree about 15 feet from the couple&#8217;s front door about 2:30 a.m. May 2.</p>
<p class="ap-story-p">The Williamses have met with Mayor Dick Moore and representatives from the police department, the FBI and the NAACP. Bradley Vite, a family friend, says they also expect to meet with a Department of Justice official.</p>
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<p class="ap-story-p"><span id="more-102"></span>I haven&#8217;t been able to find any more detailed information, which is probably a good thing for the couple&#8217;s privacy. I&#8217;m incredibly dismayed by this news story, but not completely surprised &#8211; sadly, there are still places in the US where interracial relationships are not accepted.</p>
<p class="ap-story-p">Aditya and I actually attended college fairly close to Elkhart, which makes this story all the more scary for me. We personally didn&#8217;t experience too much prejudice or racism due to our interracial relationship during our time in the Midwest, but the few times it did occur &#8211; angry stares, shouts from passing cars &#8211; were pretty upsetting for me (and Aditya, although his skin tone always marked him as different). I have no idea what I would do if we woke up one morning to a burning cross on our front yard, although my reactions would probably include a lot of cussing and righteous crusading in the local community. This type of bullshit just shouldn&#8217;t be happening anywhere. What would your reactions be? Have any of you had any similar or lower-level racist reactions to your intercultural relationship?</p>
<p class="ap-story-p">&#8212;-</p>
<p class="ap-story-p">On a slightly more cheerful note, the 11th (today, technically) is my birthday. We&#8217;ll be celebrating by having a day of light adventures with friends &#8211; hiking in the morning, Indian buffet for lunch, and then hanging out at home, eating cake and playing video games. Our group will be a bunch of white &amp; Indian folk, including a couple of guys from Indiana, so I&#8217;ll see what they think about this incident. I&#8217;ll also take a bunch of pictures while at the Indian buffet food, so that I can get on with the next installment of &#8220;<a title="How to Eat Indian Food: Part I" href="http://gorigirl.com/indian-survial-guide-series-how-to-eat-indian-food-part-i">How to Eat Indian Food</a>.&#8221;</p>
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