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		<title>By: PattuRani</title>
		<link>http://gorigirl.com/hes-soooo-indian#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>PattuRani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A lot of what attracted me to R in the first place was his calm, his humility, unbelievable work ethic, and uncanny acceptance of life the way it is.&quot;

You just described my Nepali husband to a T. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A lot of what attracted me to R in the first place was his calm, his humility, unbelievable work ethic, and uncanny acceptance of life the way it is.&#8221;</p>
<p>You just described my Nepali husband to a T. <img src='http://gorigirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mirchi</title>
		<link>http://gorigirl.com/hes-soooo-indian#comment-324</link>
		<dc:creator>Mirchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think some of this may depend on ones definition of &quot;culture&quot; and &quot;vastly different&quot; :D

I know that on the surface there are lots of things that seem different in each state/place. As I thought about this more, I realized I place a different value on things which are personal/style based and things which are social norms and expectations. The latter is what I would call culture. In that, I think the similarities outweigh the differnces. Examples of that are a sense of modesty/covering up, no PDA between sexes, affection between male friends, dating and promiscuity being frowned upon, respect to elders/parents, arranged marriage, joint family concept, removing shoes, not touching books with feet, eating with hands, &quot;namaste&quot; -tho in various languages, religious devotion- though it might be changing, I think regardless of religion, people  in India are more devout. Theres many more widespread &quot;Indian&quot; things such as using the right hand, female nose piercing, Indian toilets, train, buses, rikshaws, even certain hand and head gestures.

The things which I would relate to &quot;regional styles&quot; for lack of a better word are things such as dance, dress, food, festivals, etc. While there are tons of differences, there are still similarities. Saree and salwar may be of different materials, worn a different way, have regional designs, but it is still recognizable as such. Same with bangles.  Kathakali and bharatnatyam in south, odissi and dandia in north. Tabla, mridingam. You have phulka, dhokla, chai in Gujarat, and chapathi, idli, coffee in Tamilnadu. I know there are more food habits that differ too. I can see where there is a lot of diversity in these things and a million more and especially in language. I just think the &quot;core&quot; remains same(or close enough, lol)

I didnt mean to write a book, I just enjoy this type of discussion, hehe. I love to hear others perspectives... Maybe thats the whole point of these blogs right? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some of this may depend on ones definition of &#8220;culture&#8221; and &#8220;vastly different&#8221; <img src='http://gorigirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I know that on the surface there are lots of things that seem different in each state/place. As I thought about this more, I realized I place a different value on things which are personal/style based and things which are social norms and expectations. The latter is what I would call culture. In that, I think the similarities outweigh the differnces. Examples of that are a sense of modesty/covering up, no PDA between sexes, affection between male friends, dating and promiscuity being frowned upon, respect to elders/parents, arranged marriage, joint family concept, removing shoes, not touching books with feet, eating with hands, &#8220;namaste&#8221; -tho in various languages, religious devotion- though it might be changing, I think regardless of religion, people  in India are more devout. Theres many more widespread &#8220;Indian&#8221; things such as using the right hand, female nose piercing, Indian toilets, train, buses, rikshaws, even certain hand and head gestures.</p>
<p>The things which I would relate to &#8220;regional styles&#8221; for lack of a better word are things such as dance, dress, food, festivals, etc. While there are tons of differences, there are still similarities. Saree and salwar may be of different materials, worn a different way, have regional designs, but it is still recognizable as such. Same with bangles.  Kathakali and bharatnatyam in south, odissi and dandia in north. Tabla, mridingam. You have phulka, dhokla, chai in Gujarat, and chapathi, idli, coffee in Tamilnadu. I know there are more food habits that differ too. I can see where there is a lot of diversity in these things and a million more and especially in language. I just think the &#8220;core&#8221; remains same(or close enough, lol)</p>
<p>I didnt mean to write a book, I just enjoy this type of discussion, hehe. I love to hear others perspectives&#8230; Maybe thats the whole point of these blogs right? <img src='http://gorigirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: NeoKalypso</title>
		<link>http://gorigirl.com/hes-soooo-indian#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator>NeoKalypso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, Mrchi, I think you are right in that many of the assumptions (dharma linked) are the same throughout India, but I would argue that from state to state there is vast, vast diversity.  Again, what galaxie said about united pluralism was spot on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, Mrchi, I think you are right in that many of the assumptions (dharma linked) are the same throughout India, but I would argue that from state to state there is vast, vast diversity.  Again, what galaxie said about united pluralism was spot on.</p>
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		<title>By: NeoKalypso</title>
		<link>http://gorigirl.com/hes-soooo-indian#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>NeoKalypso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mirchi, you probably WON&#039;T find my comment over at that site since they butcher up the posts that don&#039;t fit in with their world-view and furthermore challenge it.  Here, you can saw whatever you want, no censorship unless you say totally outlandish, tool-bag things.  Interesting--many of my critical opinions were removed from the site yet there was this horrible poster who viciously attacked other posters yet was egged on by the author&#039;s Toxic Side Kick.  Anyway, point is, you won&#039;t be able to find stuff I&#039;ve written over there--it&#039;s all been censored.  Now back to the meaty stuff here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mirchi, you probably WON&#8217;T find my comment over at that site since they butcher up the posts that don&#8217;t fit in with their world-view and furthermore challenge it.  Here, you can saw whatever you want, no censorship unless you say totally outlandish, tool-bag things.  Interesting&#8211;many of my critical opinions were removed from the site yet there was this horrible poster who viciously attacked other posters yet was egged on by the author&#8217;s Toxic Side Kick.  Anyway, point is, you won&#8217;t be able to find stuff I&#8217;ve written over there&#8211;it&#8217;s all been censored.  Now back to the meaty stuff here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mirchi</title>
		<link>http://gorigirl.com/hes-soooo-indian#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>Mirchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Galaxie, I definitely agree with your first paragraph. I guess The fact that they are impossible to define makes it fun for discussion, or at least to me.

I think there are certain things that stand out as being Indian though. Its something in the speech patterns, mannerisms, gestures, and that &quot;je ne sais quois&quot;. If I see someone from far away, I can usually guess if they are FROM India(as opposed to born here, or a different nationality). However those things could soften over time spent in another country and doesnt make somebody &#039;less indian&#039; of course. 
I wouldnt say the culture between Indian states is vastly different. While there are some variations in customs, etc, the major and basic things are the same or similar.
Just to note, Im in no way in favor of stereotyping &quot;All Indians&quot; or Americans :)

Dont worry NK, I surely wont be making a post on it, lol, but I would join in the debate if you do ;) 
I still havent come across the post you mention. Going to have to find that! haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Galaxie, I definitely agree with your first paragraph. I guess The fact that they are impossible to define makes it fun for discussion, or at least to me.</p>
<p>I think there are certain things that stand out as being Indian though. Its something in the speech patterns, mannerisms, gestures, and that &#8220;je ne sais quois&#8221;. If I see someone from far away, I can usually guess if they are FROM India(as opposed to born here, or a different nationality). However those things could soften over time spent in another country and doesnt make somebody &#8216;less indian&#8217; of course.<br />
I wouldnt say the culture between Indian states is vastly different. While there are some variations in customs, etc, the major and basic things are the same or similar.<br />
Just to note, Im in no way in favor of stereotyping &#8220;All Indians&#8221; or Americans <img src='http://gorigirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Dont worry NK, I surely wont be making a post on it, lol, but I would join in the debate if you do <img src='http://gorigirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I still havent come across the post you mention. Going to have to find that! haha</p>
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		<title>By: ara0062</title>
		<link>http://gorigirl.com/hes-soooo-indian#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>ara0062</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NK, I remember that post LOL. It sure did cause some arguments hehehe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NK, I remember that post LOL. It sure did cause some arguments hehehe.</p>
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		<title>By: NeoKalypso</title>
		<link>http://gorigirl.com/hes-soooo-indian#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>NeoKalypso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that was very well put, galaxie--especially the point about united pluralism.  

Actually I tried to make it abundantly clear that my post was based on my own, narrow perceptions and that in the end, defining what Indianness is is essentially impossible, a mystery.  But I think anyone can observe, take things in, have experiences, and be left with impressions of phenomenons such as Indianness and Americanness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that was very well put, galaxie&#8211;especially the point about united pluralism.  </p>
<p>Actually I tried to make it abundantly clear that my post was based on my own, narrow perceptions and that in the end, defining what Indianness is is essentially impossible, a mystery.  But I think anyone can observe, take things in, have experiences, and be left with impressions of phenomenons such as Indianness and Americanness.</p>
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		<title>By: galaxie</title>
		<link>http://gorigirl.com/hes-soooo-indian#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>galaxie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I would agree with you about what Indian-ness is, or whether it can or should be described or defined, but then not even Indians in India agree about that. And I kind of think the same thing about American-ness: there are a lot of kinds of Americanness, and if we tried to describe or enumerate them we&#039;d just be putting limits on something that &quot;we cannot understand, and yet which is.&quot;

But now I&#039;m going to kind of do it anyway - America and India, as countries, are both large, influential democracies.  But India seems to pride itself on a kind of united pluralism, where states have wildly different cultures and even languages.  America has different regional (sub?)cultures, but it definitely seems like one of them is the standard, and everything else is defined by its difference from that.  I can&#039;t really link this to different attitudes among people, though.  

I think it&#039;s mostly that Americans don&#039;t have a concept of Dharma.  Americans don&#039;t really have Artha either (not as an admirable goal, anyway - what was it about a rich man getting into heaven being like putting a camel through the eye of a needle?).  The American Puritan heritage is all about Moksha, and the consumerist culture is all about Kama.  I think a lot of how one looks at life can be determined by how you balance those four things ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purusharthas ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I would agree with you about what Indian-ness is, or whether it can or should be described or defined, but then not even Indians in India agree about that. And I kind of think the same thing about American-ness: there are a lot of kinds of Americanness, and if we tried to describe or enumerate them we&#8217;d just be putting limits on something that &#8220;we cannot understand, and yet which is.&#8221;</p>
<p>But now I&#8217;m going to kind of do it anyway &#8211; America and India, as countries, are both large, influential democracies.  But India seems to pride itself on a kind of united pluralism, where states have wildly different cultures and even languages.  America has different regional (sub?)cultures, but it definitely seems like one of them is the standard, and everything else is defined by its difference from that.  I can&#8217;t really link this to different attitudes among people, though.  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s mostly that Americans don&#8217;t have a concept of Dharma.  Americans don&#8217;t really have Artha either (not as an admirable goal, anyway &#8211; what was it about a rich man getting into heaven being like putting a camel through the eye of a needle?).  The American Puritan heritage is all about Moksha, and the consumerist culture is all about Kama.  I think a lot of how one looks at life can be determined by how you balance those four things ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purusharthas" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purusharthas</a> ).</p>
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		<title>By: NeoKalypso</title>
		<link>http://gorigirl.com/hes-soooo-indian#comment-311</link>
		<dc:creator>NeoKalypso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea Mirchi!  I actually posed the question of &quot;What is Americanness??&quot; on &quot;the other site&quot; before (heh hem, you know when my comments weren&#039;t blocked) and got some interesting answers.  I say, go for it Mirchi!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea Mirchi!  I actually posed the question of &#8220;What is Americanness??&#8221; on &#8220;the other site&#8221; before (heh hem, you know when my comments weren&#8217;t blocked) and got some interesting answers.  I say, go for it Mirchi!</p>
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		<title>By: Mirchi</title>
		<link>http://gorigirl.com/hes-soooo-indian#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>Mirchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we need to see a post on &quot;American-ness&quot; soon!! Ive often thought about what this means, and mostly I dont see myself as very American. I might be wrong about that, not sure.
It is an interesting topic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we need to see a post on &#8220;American-ness&#8221; soon!! Ive often thought about what this means, and mostly I dont see myself as very American. I might be wrong about that, not sure.<br />
It is an interesting topic!</p>
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		<title>By: Pale_Desi</title>
		<link>http://gorigirl.com/hes-soooo-indian#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>Pale_Desi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm sometimes I&#039;m accused of being the opposite of a coconut :P  (white on the outside but brown on the inside)
hehe But I like to think I stay true to my American-ess while embracing Indian culture!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm sometimes I&#8217;m accused of being the opposite of a coconut <img src='http://gorigirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />   (white on the outside but brown on the inside)<br />
hehe But I like to think I stay true to my American-ess while embracing Indian culture!</p>
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		<title>By: NeoKalypso</title>
		<link>http://gorigirl.com/hes-soooo-indian#comment-307</link>
		<dc:creator>NeoKalypso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contrary to my previous thinking, coconuts aren&#039;t so bad :).  Sometimes they can still get all the good stuff from being raised Indian and can get rid of the bad with much more ease. : /</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrary to my previous thinking, coconuts aren&#8217;t so bad <img src='http://gorigirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  Sometimes they can still get all the good stuff from being raised Indian and can get rid of the bad with much more ease. : /</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
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		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, NK! G doesn&#039;t have a lot of the qualities you described, since he was born here. I&#039;d say he leans more toward the &quot;coconut&quot; side like your friend. But, he is more considerate and family oriented than any white guy I&#039;ve met, which I attribute to the Indian-ness that did manage to stick to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, NK! G doesn&#8217;t have a lot of the qualities you described, since he was born here. I&#8217;d say he leans more toward the &#8220;coconut&#8221; side like your friend. But, he is more considerate and family oriented than any white guy I&#8217;ve met, which I attribute to the Indian-ness that did manage to stick to him.</p>
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		<title>By: CaliforniaTransplant</title>
		<link>http://gorigirl.com/hes-soooo-indian#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>CaliforniaTransplant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NK - I love that quote, &quot;Do you not think that there are things which you cannot understand, and yet which are?&quot;

What a beautiful post! Just wanted to let you know that both M and I are utterly convinced that you&#039;ll have no problem winning over R&#039;s Mom. M thinks that if it works out, R&#039;s Mom will be so thankful to have you as part of her family because you are simply amazing!

When you talk about the way that people really listen to you in India, I think that&#039;s the &quot;Indianness&quot; I really see and appreciate in M. He listens to me like no one else ever has. But it&#039;s not just me, he does that with other people too - it makes them feel appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NK &#8211; I love that quote, &#8220;Do you not think that there are things which you cannot understand, and yet which are?&#8221;</p>
<p>What a beautiful post! Just wanted to let you know that both M and I are utterly convinced that you&#8217;ll have no problem winning over R&#8217;s Mom. M thinks that if it works out, R&#8217;s Mom will be so thankful to have you as part of her family because you are simply amazing!</p>
<p>When you talk about the way that people really listen to you in India, I think that&#8217;s the &#8220;Indianness&#8221; I really see and appreciate in M. He listens to me like no one else ever has. But it&#8217;s not just me, he does that with other people too &#8211; it makes them feel appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Gori Girl</title>
		<link>http://gorigirl.com/hes-soooo-indian#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>Gori Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to thank NeoKalypso for contributing this GREAT post about her relationship with R &amp; his family! 

I find it very interesting to read about Indian families that have immigrated to the US, and the families&#039; children who grew up here - the stories are often similar to my own experiences, but there are also major differences. Aditya came to the States as an adult, so he already had a developed personality &amp; culture, if you will. Children who immigrate seem to have a harder time as they grow up in - and in between - two cultures. It sounds like R has done a great job balancing the two parts of his life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to thank NeoKalypso for contributing this GREAT post about her relationship with R &#038; his family! </p>
<p>I find it very interesting to read about Indian families that have immigrated to the US, and the families&#8217; children who grew up here &#8211; the stories are often similar to my own experiences, but there are also major differences. Aditya came to the States as an adult, so he already had a developed personality &#038; culture, if you will. Children who immigrate seem to have a harder time as they grow up in &#8211; and in between &#8211; two cultures. It sounds like R has done a great job balancing the two parts of his life.</p>
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