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Yet another not-so-good ending

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2:27 pm
April 28, 2010


phmatters

Ohio

New Member

posts 1

Long time lurker, first time poster.

I had hoped that I would be able to tell a story that ended happily, but like many of the posts I'm finding on this forum – there is an insurmountable wall of culture/family/expectation that I cannot seem to find a way around.

K and I met in Dec 09 and spent the next 12 months enjoying each other's company.  We're both in our early 30s, he's Tamil and has been in the US for~11 years.  The additional aspect is that he's a brilliant scientific mind, which has its own set of challenges. 

Things seemed to be going well, but the biggest obstacle was always communication.  Whenever I would ask where were were going, his response was that we were friends – friends who shared a bed, spend a good part of each week together and spoke nightly- but friends.  He kept saying he was waiting to see if he could be "serious" about me – since he would not define for me what he meant by "serious,"  I managed to find a way to balance my ever-growing optimism with my defensive pessimism about the whole thing. Mostly, I just went with the flow and flow was pretty damn awesome.

Early on, I asked him about his family and if he would be expected to marry an Indian girl – he was quite clear that that was not going to be the case.  He is a middle child and both brothers are in India and married (both love matches).   

He was recruited for a job out of state in late November, and had planned to visit his family in India in December.  He had mentioned bringing me along, but the timing was not good for me with work and the job change left the trip fairly uncertain up until a week or two before he left. 

Since he was going out of the country and then moving, I did press to have things a bit more mapped out or ended, since it seemed a good time to make a break if one was inevitable – again I got the stony silence and a "wait until I come back."

Upon his return, he seemed sullen and quiet – but warmed up after a day.  The comminication began to drop off and when pressed (again) about whether we ought to just call it quits, he hesitated – said I needed to accept that things would not change in the next year, but that he did not wish to lose me.  I tried to get him to explain what was happening this year – especially as one of his gifts to me was a Tamil language book.  I was of course willing to learn, but only with some commitment that it would be worth my time and effort.

Although I love him deeply, I have never been one to feel aligned with this or that culture.  If I loved someone who spoke German, I would learn German.   So on one hand he was signalling that it would be in my best interest to learn Tamil and moments later he was telling me not to change anything about myself for him.  I sent him Mr. Gori Girl's guest post on talking to your parents to prepare them for a non-Indian partner, and his respone was a link to a Tamil Language website.

Over Easter, we spent another long weekend together and like all the others, it started rocky, but then evolved into our usual ease with each other.  Except this time he actually told me he did not think we would work out.   No reason.  No explanation. 

Do you have to marry an Indian? No

Do you have to move to India? Silence

Is it your parents? Silence

Do you not love me? I did.

What happened? It's complicated.

Can you explains? It's too painful.

Since I felt it would be our last weekend as more-than-friends, I decided to make the best of it and it was spectacular – and made leaving that much more difficult.  Each day I spent with him made me feel more and more that this is my husbandHeaven help me this grumpy teasing brilliant stubborn man is going to be my husband and I wouldn't have it any other way.

When I got home, things felt fine again.  I was back in the hope-for-the-best-prepare-for-the-worse place I inhabited for most of our relationship.  I always felt better after talking to him, but after a year+ I realized I deserved some answers and they were just not being made available. I tried metaphors, logic, reason, discussions about cause and effect, the scientific method, a prescription from my therapist so she could help me frame what happened. I even laid out scenarios for me moving to India and him bringing his parents here.

Nothing.  And I don't know if that is his Indianness or his Scientificness or if it was merely a K-specific issue.

So I decided to accept the breakup and doing that is proving far more difficult than I imagined. 

I want answers to everything.  Why the indecisiveness. Why can't he tell me? 

If I knew what caused this, I could help him solve it, or at least it would make greiving and moving on a little easier for me.

But no – he sort of lightens the mood and tells me that nothing has really changed – my daily life hasn't changed.

But it has.

I was his and now I am not – the direction of my life has changed drastically.  I was looking forward to learning my sweetie's language, to feeling anchored and learning the traditions of another culture.  I was proud that my friends and parents and even my grandmother (84) embraced him as a potential member of the family because he made me so damn happy.

The post script at this point is that he seems to want to continue to treat me the same way as before.  This is wonderful in theory, but if I allow our interactions to remain the same, I will continue to be optimistic about something good coming from all this. 

So yeah, thoughts? Reactions? What could this possibly be if it's not that he's getting married and it's not that he stopped loving me – what the heck *IS* this? 

The only other thing is that he mentioned something about it being 5 of more years before he could settle down and couldn't ask me to wait that long… am I missing something?  Or is he just lacking in relationship skills and I unwittingly chose a fixer-upper.

 

At the very least, than you for the opportunity to share my story of almost becoming a Gori Girl.

 

 

2:48 pm
April 28, 2010


julia

Member

posts 64

First off I am sorry for your heartbreak, anyone who has been through it knows how difficult it can be.

 

Unfortunately, when I read the first paragraph I knew how it would end.  I have a very big feeling this has little to do with where he is from and what his culture might expect from him and its more about him being non-committal from the start.  I think many of this would realize this if we were dating a guy from America who looks like us but reading posts here make it seem like with dating an Indian, comes a different set of dramas, his undying love but parents that tear a relationship apart.  In this case though, I think he liked he, he enjoyed your company but he was never as serious about you as your were about him.

Again, I am very sorry for this loss, please take this time for yourself, reflect and do things that make you happy.

1:04 pm
May 3, 2010


New York Love Story

Member

posts 8

Hi there,

 

I'm so sorry because I understand what a tough time you must be going through. But it's defintiely better to just cut things off now, rather than allow them to remain as they were and only have MORE pain down the line (after you've invested more years, energy, and happy memories in something that won't work out.)

 

When I read your post, all I could think we that he should feel confident enough in your relationship to fight for it. Like Julia mentioned before, this may have more to do with him than with his culture. However, if there is a cultural element, which there probably is, it's just that he's lacking the guts to move forward in an inter-cultural relationship, which naturally comes with more challenges. Maybe, deep down, he's just the type of person who'd rather make things easier. Facing inter-cultural marriage can be scary, but deep down, if he felt sure, he would fight for it and fight for you.

 

I think it's best to cut your ties with this person for now. I went through an extremely painful breakup a few years back – this guy and I had been on and off since we were 16, for ten whole years! It was always the same game. We'd get really serious, talk about marriage, and then he'd pull waaaaay back. It was a constant series of highs and lows – fantastic when we were together, then devastating when he pulled away and we'd break up for a few months and he'd disappear. Finally, I made the decision for myself that it was just DONE. I deserved better. So finally, I told him one day that that was it, and I wanted to move on, so I couldn't speak to him anymore. If I did, it would keep me hooked and our same cycle would keep playing out. He didn't believe me at first and kind of laughed it off – like the girl he'd been with for 10 years would suddenly just vanish from his life? Yet that's what I did. After a month or two of my silence, he tried getting in touch, then sent messages that he was sad/stunned when I didn't call or email back. I really, really wanted to – but I had made my choice. I knew if I went back, it would be more of the same, and I might lose another 10, 20, 30 years. Also, I knew that if he REALLY wanted to make it work, it was definitely his turn to step up to the plate and show it. Despite his whining messages, he showed nothing that would make me believe he would change, become more respectful, or be there for me, period. It was the most painful year of my life, but I had my answer. (And this wasn't an inter-cultural relationship – this was a white american guy with a white american girl.)

 

It's now been about three years since that happened, and I've now been with Ajit for almost a year and a half. Don't get me wrong, we have our problems – pretty much all related to coping with our cultural differences. But Ajit is there for me, always, and absolutely comes out fighting for me every time – against his parents, other naysayers, and even our own fears. So, Indian guy or not, I think every girl deserves the person she's with to love her and be there for her, and you can/will have that – but I think you probably need to put this behind you first.

 

Best of luck! Let me know how you do!

 

New york Love Story

1:21 pm
May 4, 2010


Jamily5

Indianapolis, IN

Member

posts 53

Maybe he does not think that you are willing to cut the relationship off. It seems as if he is telling you that your relationship will not ever advance farther than it is right now. Can you handle that? If you do terminate the relationship, be ready to stick to your guns unless or until your demands are met. I mean, "What" constitutes "moving forward toward a commitment." You have to be very specific in your definition. Where you are is comfortable. It is comfortable because you know what to expect and there is a pattern. You might have to say: "At this point, I only want to continue the relationship if… … which is demonstrated by… …" That sounds quite demanding, but the other option is  to continue as you are now.

"Dil kay rishton kay bhandan kabhi naheen tootnay chahiay hain."

4:07 am
May 7, 2010


ScorpioQueen09

California

Member

posts 3

Sorry for your heartbreak. :-( I agree with the posts above me.  If your main issue is communication, its not really cultural differences that are driving you apart but K's inability to communicate honestly.  Without honest communication IMO there's nothing.  I got frustrated reading your post because I was thinking 'why is he keeping so many secrets?'  'Why is he so silent?  How can he say that he didn't think you two would work out yet still be with you?  When I read it I was thinking he was trying to get you to break up with him so he wouldn't have to.  You're better off without him.


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