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Understanding Indian Men

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8:02 pm
July 21, 2009


janedoe666

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posts 3

After reading everyone's comments, thought that someone could give me advice on my situation.
I am in love with a guy that is Hindu. When we met, he was working in US on an H1B Visa & at that time I was unemployed. Then he got laid off because of the economy his consulting agency did not find him another project in USA so he had to return to Delhi. It has been 2 weeks since he has left & we had just begun dating, like only 2 months, but we fell deeply in love. He said he felt comfortable falling in love with me because he thought we had time to be together. On our first date I thought I had asked all the right questions, most importantly, "Will your parents accept me?" He said "yes, they are modern parents". But I did not know about H1B visa so I did not ask that. But when he found out he was returning, he got depressed and stopped being physical with me because he did not want to hurt me in case he can't stay. But we were together alot up until the day he left. I said that I would marry him for legal reasons so he would not have to leave and if we worked out, we could go to India & have legitimate Hindu wedding & if it didn't we could get it annulled. He would have no part in that whatsoever because he is afraid of his parents reaction, mainly using me to get a green card. Also he thought that we would have more time for me to know his parents and vice versa. Then I offered to bring him back on a fiance visa and he will not do that either, even if it is just for legal reasons, again he said "no" because of what his parents would think. So now we are trying desperately to get him a job that will transfer his H1B Visa to get him back over here so that we can be together. But in this economy, it has not been easy, especially since he does not have an "in-demand" job skill right now. During our short time together, I could tell how much he was in love with me and I fell totally in love with him & could feel how "once in a lifetime" our love could be, if given the chance. But it has to be on his terms. On one hand he tells me not to wait for him but on the other hand he says things that indicate we are going to be together again, he will return to US & that I am his hope. I have found that I can't talk to him about "us" because his mind is so focused on his situation & he's depressed about his situation. So I follow his lead & respect his wishes and don't push him. I told him that I will be here for him when he returns & he likes that I said this & he told me he wants to continue where we left off before he lost his job. I know this is a "once in a lifetime" love & I know he knows it also. We are still very close & talk EVERY day on the phone. And I have also begun to convert to Hinduism, which I had began before I met him. Also, I find that he only talks about his religion when he is in the mood and has refused to answer questions about his caste and sect. I have told him that his parents do not live his life & he said that the "parents" thing is cultural and that he will not lie to his parents & I told him I totally respect that. But then i found out he lied to his parents about him being laid off of his job, at first. I know I can't push him too much so I have learned when to back off.
I am just so upset over this whole situation because I feel that he is the one for me and we could have something great if we weren't split up by this horrible job thing & he knows this also, but won't go against what his parents will not approve of.

Can someone please help me to make sense of what is cultural things about the way he is acting or if it is just pride, or a little of both. I need some insight. Also, He is 30 years old.

5:38 am
July 22, 2009


Alchemist

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Post edited 5:41 am – July 22, 2009 by Alchemist


Hey,

Your long post definately indicate your deep feelings towards him. Don't be upset. Its just two weeks you guys are apart.

The important question here is, Do his parents know about you ? The answer will clear a lot of things in the situation. As for the job loss, I went thru same thing. My girlfriend ( an American) suggested we get married or engaged, but I denied. I didn't want to make our love a contract to stay in any country (believe me, many people feel this way, its a good sign of character anyways). Fortunately , I got a job and a very sticky situation was averted. But if I had to return to India, my plan was to invite her to India and let my parents meet her and then go from there. (by doing this, my parents would have met her as well she would have got idea about India ).

I believe he is going thru a lot of stress right now. And you are doing a good job for time being. But may be as time goes ( couple weeks more), start asking him questions about you guys togeather. Also, if possible ask him if you can make a India trip. Ask him if his parents know about you atleast as his friend.

The situation doesn't look grim at all. Its just some thing different you are experiencing compared to things you might be aquainted to see.

RegardsLaugh

6:52 am
July 22, 2009


janedoe666

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Hey!

Thank you so much for your advice/post! I don't know what he has said to his parents about me & I don't think it is a good time to ask him that right now because of the state he is in.  I have pushed him to try to talk about things with us and getting him back here & I don't get to far & then he tells me he does not want to talk about it anymore. I told him if too much time goes by I can go to Delhi & visit him & he said to not do it just for him. Part of that has to do with his living situation and his life at the moment. He feels lost & stagnant & does not know where he will be at in the near future because of his job situation. Currently he is not in a good living situation in Delhi. Lives in a very small apartment with 2 roommates, only 1 window, no air conditioning, water shortage, & extremely oppressive heat. His Consulting company hasn't even found him a job there so he has lots of idle time. I know when he was over here he would talk to his parents every day just to check in with them & tell him that he is fine. I also think too early in realtionship to tell them.  I did tell him that I would be totally comfortable being over there because I have traveled lots & have experienced many different living situations including worse than what he thinks is bad, so hopefully it helped that he knows that.  In fact, I would move there once I know that we definitely have future together. I would love to live there with him. His roommate/close friend knows about me and I talkwith him.  Do you know of IT consulting agencies in Delhi that he could sign up with to get another project in US? He has H1B & can transfer it.  Also, do you know if comes to US on a different kind of Visa, visitor or fiance, does that void out his H1B?

I hope that things are going welll for you in your relationship!

Take care & be well!

9:30 am
July 22, 2009


Alchemist

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Well,

As I said before, you are doing a good job at this time. I think, he really appriciates your support and open communication with him. He feeling lost is a temperory thing. I think his ideal time (read empty mind) might be confusing him a lot with unecessary thoughts.

As for the Job in Delhi goes, I have no clue as to how helpful a consulting firm is to find him a job in his Home land. Though currently it might be difficlut to find a job which will bring him to US, I know people who have got one. But thats in oil industry.

As for your adjusting capacity, I don't doubt them. But, there is a difference just visiting some "bad situation" destinations while travelling and actually staying in one. When you travel, you atleast know that you are going to go back home which is comfortable to you.

I don't know any IT consulting agencies. He can come to US on different visas. Tourist or Student are best suit to him. Or else Hiance visa as you said. I don't know about H1 being void, but I know for sure that he does not have to go through H1B visa cap when he gets a job. That makes it easier for him to get H1 visa even if its void.

As for my relationship. We are doing good. We are still trying to understand each other and accept and appriciate each others differences. (I still cannot come to terms with her love for country music though Laugh). I think its going in right direction with efforts on both sides.

I hope things will fall in place for you too. Communication is the key. Also, as an advice, don't back up on what you feel just because he is in depressed condition. That doesnt mean be pushy, but don't swallow the thoughts you have. Make them clear to him. May be, that might be the spark he requires.

Feel free to ask any questions you have.

Regards,

4:15 pm
July 22, 2009


YP

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30 is considered almost old in India, and definitely one, whether male or female, is expected to be married by that age.

His parents probably want him to find a good job in India and marry an Indian girl.  I can almost guarantee you that that is what the family discussions are about these days.

Since the oxytocin and other feel good chemicals, endorphins, are still flooding your brain for him (what humans refer to as  "being in love"), do your part to arrange for him to come to USA (put don't put any of your own money into it), and then if he comes and you two are together again, BINGO, you won the lottery.  If not, life goes on.

Cultivate some detachment in the midst of attachment.

OM

5:37 pm
July 22, 2009


janedoe666

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posts 3

Post edited 6:02 am – July 23, 2009 by janedoe666


Hey Alchemist!

I do not understand the country music! LOL! I listen to your country's music, AR Rahman, Roop Kumar Rathod, etc  I couldn't even tell my boyfriend about current American music or movies when he asked who is who! So you can tell I am quite interested in your culture.  Also, I have lived in foreign countries that have the living conditions such as Delhi & I told him that so I think he knows that am a very adaptable person.  He is very single minded right now & has let me know that he can't handle the extra burden of knowing how much I love & care for him because he thinks he has to have the means to support me if we get more serious. I told him I have been thinking about writing him a letter about my feelings & he asked me not to because he does not want to get weak.  And from talking to 3 other Indian friends that are men, they tell me the same thing, “be strong”, espeically when I cry. I found that interesting that I saw a pattern in their response. I have never heard that from my American men friends.  Is this a cultural belief? to not show weakness? I have thought about making my feelings clear to him but I know he knows because he feels same way. I am thinking that he does not want to add something to his already complicated equation so I be to him & give to him what he needs right now in order to meet his needs. And that's okay because I greatly respect him & sometime in a relationship one person gives more at one time.  If you see different, please tell me, I truly appreciate your advice & time to help me, and it greatly has.

When I began to worship Ganesha, and now also Gayatri, he asked me why Ganesha is answering my prayers, I finally got a job after being unemployed for six months, and not his prayers. I felt so horrily bad. And of course I ask for things for him & now only for him and to not give me any more good fortune, but him.  I am so very fortunate & have enough, except him with me.  Thanks again & all my best!

PS…I have to admit i like some country singers, but older ones, like Dolly Parton & Jonny Cash, but that's all!!

1:54 pm
July 24, 2009


YP

Guest

Young lady, please protect your heart.  The Indian men are telling you "be strong", because they know there is a good chance that he will not return to USA and he will have an arranged marriage in India.  Your boyfriend also does not want to read your emotional letters because it will make him feel guilty.

I am going to give you a link to a website written by an American woman who is married to a Pakistani-American man, and despite being married for several years and HAVING CHILDREN together, he has NOT TOLD HIS PARENTS about his wife and children.  They still think he is single and are trying to arrange his marriage to a Pakistani girl and the wife knows that there is a chance that he may agree to this, return to Pakistan to get married just to please his mother, and then return to USA.  When he travels back to Pakistani to visit family, he always does so alone.  Neither his American wife or children have met his parents.  Can you believe it!?!?!?!?

Here is the link: http://hennamenna.blogspot.com…..crecy.html

1:02 pm
July 25, 2009


SportsFan

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Post edited 1:04 pm – July 25, 2009 by SportsFan


Hmm…something about janedoe666 is rubbing me the wrong way. It's almost like she is mocking goris and their devotion to their intercultural relationships. Maybe I am the only one?

3:14 pm
July 25, 2009


American_Mallu

Guest

Sportsfan,

 Both the post and YP's responses seem to rely on stereotypes. sigh..

8:07 am
July 27, 2009


D

Member

posts 94

Sportsfan, you're not the only one. Also, the writing styles of all of these posts are strangely similar…multiple personalities, anyone?

1:56 pm
July 31, 2009


YP

Guest

I don't see any similarities at all, either in content or writing style/syntax between janedoe666's posts and mine.  Could you folks please point out where you think we are similar?  I'm just not seeing it.

2:41 pm
July 31, 2009


Gori Girl

Admin

posts 118

Naw, YP is just our banned friend, Pardesi Gori – now banned from the forums as well as the blog.

8:45 am
September 16, 2009


Anilu

Member

posts 13

Jane,

I can only tell you my experience. I too fell in love with an Indian and had the best time for 12 months until our visas expired and we had to return to our countries. Until now, that has been the saddest day of my life. Being apart for 7 months we realised we had to be together and luckily found jobs in the same country we met and came back. Oh but not in the same city. I was living in Aberdeen and he in Stoke-on-Trent (around 400 miles) so we met every other weekend. It was better than in 2 different continents but still not enough. One fine day he found a job in Aberdeen and moved in with me so we've been together for almost 2 years.

Be patient. I might sound like and old lady but if it's meant to be, it will be. My now husband faced a lot of attempts to getting him to marry but he was always strong. We knew we would be together eventually and fortunately we did very soon. This economic climate doesn't help but wait, keep in touch and keep the love alive.

Why don't you visit him in India? Or meet in another country? For him now finding a job must be his top priority and knowing you love and support him can help him go on.

1:07 am
September 21, 2009


DesiAmerican

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Post edited 1:13 am – September 21, 2009 by DesiAmerican


janedoe666 said:

“After reading everyone's comments, thought that someone could give me advice on my situation.
I am in love with a guy that is Hindu. When we met, he was working in US on an H1B Visa & at that time I was unemployed. Then he got laid off because of the economy his consulting agency did not find him another project in USA so he had to return to Delhi. …. But I did not know about H1B visa so I did not ask that. But when he found out he was returning, he got depressed and stopped being physical with me because he did not want to hurt me in case he can't stay.”

My money would be on this poster being Indian. “another project in USA” — c'mon, only an Indian would phrase it this way. And how about “But I did not know about H1B visa so I did not ask that”. There are more but I won't list them all.

3:29 am
September 21, 2009


Anilu

Member

posts 13

Dear DesiAmerican,

I can see why you and others are suspicious of the post. It might be real or not but I really see no harm in it and any response in it might help others. Sorry if I seem intruding. The last few months for my wedding preparations I was very active in a bridal forum. One day one of the girls posted that she was not a real bride but just an American student doing some research for her PhD (I emphasise American since the forum is British). She had created a shallow personna to see how others reacted to her. It caused an upheaval and many other girls felt betrayed and insults were going all around. I think if we go to anonymous forums, we can expect things like this and just take the best of it and dismiss what doesn't seem right without purposefully hurting anyone.


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