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His parents refuse to even meet me :(

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4:39 pm
January 21, 2010


cakerbakergirl

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posts 39

Thank you to you all for your words of encouragement.  For the first few days, when I could barely do anything because I was so upset, your posts helped me feel better. Nobody really understands the situation in my life, besides you guys.  Most people, when they hear the situation, start brutally bashing him which really doesn't help the matter at all. 

I'm not crying all the time now but I am still really down about the whole thing. I am keeping myself overwhelmingly busy and reading book after book in record speed to try to distract myself. When I am not busy, I sleep. It kinda sucks, this type of life but hopefully, someday, it will become better. 

Because I had spent so much time learning about and picturing myself becoming a Muslim, I am confused as all heck about my religious identity now too. I cannot bring myself to say I am a Christian anymore but I'm not Muslim either. I feel really resentful towards him because I really looked forward to becoming Muslim, alongside him etc. Now I have absolutely zero Muslim support besides one of his female Muslimah friends. I know that I don't need a guy to seek out religion or God but I still feel like he deserted me and I connect him with Islam which is now a very bad thing. Continuing to learn about Islam just reminds me of him over and over.

I wish all of you all the best in your relationships :)

xoxxo

4:54 pm
January 21, 2010


cakerbakergirl

Member

posts 39

Another thing that really pisses me off is that while I am left absolutely alone in this huge freaking big city, he isn't. He has lived here his whole life, even went to uni here, so his social circle is massive. It isn't his fault that I moved here and lack the massive social circle, I know that but still. He gets to go out, get introduced to lots more girls by his friends and parents, anything he wants and I am stuck alone in my little basement apartment, without even a TV.  He told me not to buy one because he already had a big one and when we got married, which was supposed to be soon, we would use his and it would be silly for us to have two… grrrr  I know I need to go meet people but still, I just feel so deserted again…

He let me down sooo much.  I'm not one of those silly girls naive girls either. I have never let this happen to me before. I believed him and in him sooo much and then he drops me like a sack of flour for his parents who were nothing but mean and terrible to him. Its like he had a split personality. There is no way in the world that he could have acted the way he did to me and with me and then break up with me in this type of way… So many males, when faced with this type of situation, choose the woman and let their parents come back to him when they wanted to but choose misery instead. How unnatural.

Okay, enough venting, this is starting to slide deeply into the negative so I'll stop. :(

7:43 pm
March 11, 2010


thatiswhatiam

Member

posts 7

Hey cakebakergirl!

How are you doing?? I just thought of checking on you… I hope things are getting better with you… and I really hope that by now you have started meeting new and more interesting people! :D

Most of us have gone through heartbreaks, and I know how much it sucks… but trust me, in future when you get into a better and happier relationship, you will realize how much you learnt out of this bad experience and you will be much more capable of turning your new relationship into the most amazing thing in the world! :)

So, just smile, and pamper yourself and be happy… the rest will just follow.. you don't even have to do much once you start keeping yourself happy! :)

In the past year I went through the most difficult time of my life (and trust me, it got TOO bad… I had almost gotten suicidal at one point)… not because of any relationship, but because of the job scenario and VISA issues and loneliness and everything. But, at the end of it, now I feel like I am a much better and happier person than I was an year ago. The past year made me think about certain stuff a whole bunch, which I would never have done if I was always happy. But, after all that thinking and getting to know myself and my needs and wants better, now I could lay out a perfect plan for my life (even if that plan is to never go by any plans :P ), and know what will make me happy, and know how to reach out for it too. It even gave me the confidence to take up big decisions, and I made a huge decision of moving back to India. This has made me very very happy, and I will be leaving to India in a couple of weeks. I am just glad I went through the bad times, otherwise I would never really know what I want, and I would have not been sad, but not been 100% happy either! My life would have remained incomplete till I realized what was missing.

Sorry for the boring rant… just wanted to let you know how my bad times actually turned out to be good for me. I hope your tough times end soon, or rather, have ended by now, and you find love and happiness very soon! Same goes out to all you girls! :)

Love,

Meghana

9:26 pm
April 27, 2010


cakerbakergirl

Member

posts 39

Hi Meghana (I love your name btw),

Nice to hear from you. :) It is very thoughtful of you to check up on me. I was going to reply but then the forums were down but anyway- they're back so I can say hi:)

In many ways I am doing a lot better. I have a new better job. I'm busy with more social activities and I am calmer overall since I don't have to deal with the horrible worry everyday that I did before.

At first I dated some people but it was too soon. I couldn't continue past one or two dates so I decided to be single for a while. I honestly thought I was much better until last weekend. I was speaking with a girl who I met through my ex. She is my friend now too. She hadn't seen him in a while and told me that she ran in to him unexpectedly. Just hearing her say that she ran in to him made me feel soo shocked and almost as if I had run in to him. The news hit me like a ton of bricks. I went to walk across the room and was dizzy and had to sit down. I couldn't figure out why I was so dizzy and then it dawned on me that my body went in to shock… lol. 

She briefly updated me on his life as I asked her what he said. Apparently, despite his telling me at the time of the breakup that he'd never marry anyone ever if he couldn't have me (and repeating it over and over even when I told him that was crazy), he is dating again. Apparently his mother set him up with a girl which is not a from a religion that is compatible with his… but she was brown so his mother thought it was okay…sigh.

I dunno what to think. I guess I just need to accept that my soul loves him, always will and let me soul love another person too. Hopefully the new person will be able to love me back without an entourage of evil. 

You must be back in India now:)  How is it?? I hope you are very happy. You really sound like you ended up knowing yourself so well. That is awesome!!  I hope you find (or already found) love too :)  

 

xoxoxo

 

11:37 pm
April 27, 2010


Mia

Member

posts 13

Hi,

Thanks for the update. Glad to know that you are doing well. 

Funny how little things can sometimes get us all choked up. Eventually all will come to pass and all will be nothing but a distant memory. Take care.

10:36 pm
June 13, 2010


cakerbakergirl

Member

posts 39

Sooo, I'm back and I have really good news to share!

My Pakistani love finally got his father's approval to marry me. His mother is less on board but it is thought that since the dad is on board, it'll be easier to convince his mum. We had a really movie-like reunion yesterday evening. Ahh, I'm very happy.

I'll share more details another day but I wanted to let you all know (especially people who are having major difficulties) that there is hope at the end of the tunnel (mind you, we're not engaged or married yet!) but so far, so good.

So now we're back together again :) Yaaa. Now, I don't want to give anyone the impression that it's perfect though cause I already had a really sad crying spell today but I guess thats going to happen as my bf maneuvers through our two cultures.

Anyway, I had to share with you guys!

2:32 am
June 14, 2010


luckyfatima

Dubai, UAE

Member

posts 56

Congratulations, that's great news. All the best to you!

Mat pooch ke kya haal hai mera teray peechay

12:21 pm
June 15, 2010


Jenn23

Member

posts 90

That's great!!! :)

12:51 pm
June 15, 2010


julia

Member

posts 44

yay!!! good luck!!!

1:00 pm
June 15, 2010


sjtp

Member

posts 64

I'm so glad things are looking brighter. I think for most of us, there are still days that culture clashes rear their ugly little heads…and that's after all the normal two-people-struggling-to-overcome-selfishness-to-be-in-a-long-term-relationship stuff! Don't be afraid to ask how others deal with particular issues. We can only give so much "advice," but we can certainly share how we navigate issues — or at least let you know when you're not alone!

9:38 pm
June 27, 2010


cakerbakergirl

Member

posts 39

Dum dum dum… I took a while to fill in the story with more details as I promised because it has actually taken a turn for the worse again :(  
He and I reconciled on a Saturday evening at an Islamic event. That was great- he showed up with flowers (though he left them in the car since it wouldn't be acceptable to play the bf role in a mosque- hehe). Anyway, our reunion was like out of a movie. Intense, romantic, we drove to a park and stared in to each others' eyes in the dim moonlight. lol It was perfect. We made plans to hangout the next day at coincidentally, another Islamic event, a family picnic that I was already planning to attend. He wanted some alone time with me so he asked if I'd go out for dinner with him afterwards. I was pleased, over the moon, elated, everything was coming up roses. During our reunion the night before, we talked a lot and her promised that he would never cancel on me again- that he wouldn't make plans if he couldn't be sure that he'd keep them. So Sunday rolls along, he shows up for the picnic, all was well until his father started calling him. Then he broke the news to me that on Saturday night when he came home from seeing me at the mosque, his father was waiting for him and had a complete fit and took back his blessings towards him and I marrying if we choose to. Because of this, my bf said he could only stay a little while at the picnic and cancelled on the dinner that he had invited me to. I guess because I had been on such a high and the fact that we had been back together for less than 24 hrs, I became hysterical (away from the picnic goers luckily but still- really really upset. I was just SOO upset that despite all the stuff he said to me the previous evening, he was back to his old ways. I told him that one more cancellation would be the end of our relationship and really laid down the law at that point. At one point, the imam who had semi counselled my bf and I the evening before when we were at the mosque, saw that I wasn't smiling and asked me what hte matter was and where my "man" had gone. That was it, then I started crying in front of him and some of the other people which was totally embarrasing because I am not a public cryer!

After that, I told him that until he had it all together, I couldn't see him, all we could do was occassionaly talk on the phone. Of course that didn't happen and we've seen each other a few times since. He ended up cancelling on me last Sunday as well. His father had thrown another fit due to him attending a charity gala with me on the Saturday evening before. When he fought back, his father started up the shoe throwing again and kicked him out of the house in the middle of the night- screaming and with the neighbors watching across the street. I was so angry that I almost completely broke up with him until I heard why he cancelled.  The fact that his father treats his 30 yr old son like a criminal for attending Islamic and charity events which I happen to be at, just shows how ridiculous he is.

This past week, his little bro who had been in PK helping their mother (who is still in PK) with their new vacation home. I say that is what they are doing but really, the mother is desperately looking for born and bred Pakistanis for her two sons and daughter. She doesn't seem to get or care that none of her children have ever even lived in Pakistan and that bringing some girl/guy back to Canada to marry her children is a recipe for disaster. While his little bro was in PK, he seems to have recessed in to a slightly backward (Paindoo- ignorant villager) type of mentality. While before he was a least semi supportive of my bf when their parents fought him, now he is like a brainwashed person, and only wants to do what their parents want. He told my bf to leave their family and never come back basically when my bf sent him an email pouring his heart out to him and then took him out for coffee to talk. The bro was totally against it and said he himself would die before my bf married me. What a family of drama queens.

MY bf is devastated. His entire family has desserted him. Nobody cares about his happiness. He is so sad. He actually cried in front of me, like sobbed. We have come to the conclusion that moving out of the family house is the only option for him now. He has an excuse in that his new job is 1hr20min drive in each direction and once winter hits, that won't be safe and will be even slower. I'm urging him to be moved out soon though, like before his mother gets back from PK. Once she is back, there will be more fights and emotion, and it'll be harder for him to gather the strength to do it.  My parents and the mutual friend  that my bf and I share are both quite p'd off at him for getting back together with me before he had 100% approval from both parents.

On one hand, I want to be firm with him, and actually follow through with the consequences I have described to him for cancelling on me. But when I see what he is going through, then I can't be hard with him. He is going through such horrible drama that it doesn't seem fair or loving of me to actually stop talking to him until he is clear on his end. I have concluded that his family is not going to come around, I have stopped hoping. My only hope is that if inshAllah, we marry and have kids, that once the first child is born, maybe his parents will come back in to our lives. That is where I am.

Sigh… it is so tiring for me. And knowing that my fatigue is nothing compared to his fatigue just further exhausts me.

Why can't his parents just stop being such haters!?!

1:45 pm
June 29, 2010


kck

Member

posts 32

He just needs to call their bluff.  They would rather have a son than not, even if he marries someone they didn't approve of.  They'll be upset for a while (or at least they'll act that way — many people act like this because it works), but then they'll get over it.  They might never apologize or admit it was a mistake to reject you like this, but they will change their minds eventually.  And he'll be a stronger person from having defended his decision against their manipulation.  This is how children have to grow up, sometimes.  Yeah, I know he's 30.  It takes all kinds.

10:57 pm
June 29, 2010


sjtp

Member

posts 64

Post edited 11:01 pm – June 29, 2010 by sjtp


– I edited because I had used "Indian" when I really meant "South Asian," especially as your man is Pakistani! -sjtp

 

It sounds scary as hell, but what I've heard from Indians (I assume it's true for Pakistani, too) supports kck's advice. The basic idea is, they'll raise hell as long as they can because him marrying you isn't really convenient for them, so they perceive nothing to lose by trying to break it up (either they'll fail and he'll marry you just the same, or they'll succeed and get to pick out their own daughter-in-law, or at least get a more convenient racial/ethnic match). 

However, if there's two things the average South Asian values, it's marriage and family. So, once you're actually married, typically no one's gonna mess with it. They're going to respect it as just as sacred as every other marriage. And, at the end of the day, they'll work to preserve their family — even if it means accepting an inconvenient daughter-in-law.

The caveat? There's a difference between the "typical" South Asian reaction to intercultural marriage (which not everyone has, and which may seem "dysfunctional" from our cultural perspective), and a "dysfunctional" South Asian family's reaction (which may never respect the union or accept the couple into the family). If your man's family is just dysfunctional and hurtful to each other, rather than functioning in a different way than Americans are used to healthy families running, standing up and setting boundaries on his life is likely an act to save his own soul, not just your relationship.

11:00 pm
July 1, 2010


cakerbakergirl

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posts 39

Post edited 11:05 pm – July 1, 2010 by cakerbakergirl


Today is Canada Day- so happy Canada Day to all!

Unfortunately, the day didn't go so happily for my bf. He walked in on a convo his family was having about yet another potential girl for him to marry. He told them absolutely no that he'd marry me only, a fight ensued and his father swore to God (like said the shahada speech and everything) and kicked him out of the house. He quickly grabbed a couple bags of clothes and left.

Even though he knew it was going to happen, it was still a major blow. His mother started calling from Pakistan and when he finally talked to her, she told him to stop being such a problem in her life. She swore at him too(apparently called him the Urdu version of an SOB- which I pointed out was ironic cause that was dissing her ownself… but anyway). After getting moral support from another close friend of ours who happens to be Pakistani as well, he told her that he'd go home but only if they stopped the drama and accepted our future marriage. She said never and that when she got home, she was going to kick his ass or something along those lines.

None of his friends were able to take him in due to various reasons. I cannot have him stay at my apartment because I'm renting from a Pakistani family. It would ruin my rep in the Pakistani community if he slept over at my place so luckily a different friend of his, offered a room at their house for the next couple nights till we find him an apartment. I feel bad- I really want to nurture him and show him that he is safe with me but we both know that it would just reinforce the stereotypes that everyone (including the Aunties that like me) have about white girls (that we'll leave after a while and take the kids).

He feels such guilt. His parents blame him for everything. His mother said that it was his fault he got kicked out of their house.

Some of our friends are urging us to do a Nikkah now (ie Islamic marriage ceremony) but treat it as our official engagement and then have the rukshi(sp?) (ie reception/party) later and that could be in the form of a traditional Western wedding (minus the Church- lol). This way, it might help his parents see that their behaviour is pointless (as we'd be technically married asap)frgt. It would also allow us to spend lots/all our time together without having Pakistani community members thinking I'm a slutty girl. I think my parents would be freaked out though so I may have to prepare them for that happening sometime soon. It's such a foreign concept to them…

SJTP- I truly hope that his parents fall in to the "typical" category but somehow, their behavior seems more "dysfunctional". I suppose only time will tell…

KCK- I hope that he just needed to call their bluff too… he has never actually truly gone against them. I think in the past when they fought him about our relationship, he'd always cave and say he was sorry for hurting them etc (ie accepting blame for the problem). Now that he is refusing to accept blame or cave in to them, they're quite shocked and angry. It's true that he is a 30 y/o child and I've told him that. He has never moved out and had the opportunity to see the difference between living at home as an adult or living outside the family home as an adult. I know that when I return home to visit my family, I typically notice myself reverting in to a slightly more childish version of myself… I think that is common and so for someone who has never left home, it wouldn't even be apparent as there is no comparison for him. Moving out is going to be good for him.  

Thanks to you both for your words of encouragement. I need them :)

6:33 am
July 2, 2010


cakerbakergirl

Member

posts 39

Question- does anyone have any suggestions for me as to how to help support him in this tough time?  His job is about 150km (1h20m drive) west of my place. I work one hours drive east of my place. We're looking for an apt for him there so that he is close to work for the time being. So once we find him something and he moves in, if I was to drive to his place after work, it would be a 2.4 hr drive. Of course I'll do it but its not like hes going to be 5 mins away so that I can run over and help him whenever he needs help.

I guess the distance isn't really what is scaring me. What is scaring me is that his family is going to call him and in a moment of weakness, he'll answer and allow the conversation to get to him. He could start to feel the extreme guilt again. Our mutual friend and I have both prepared him for the eventuality that his parents will be calling him complaining of more faux illnesses. This is going to kill him. They always play up that they're dying and I fear that he's going to cave and rush to them. Once he gets there, they're either going to be in the hospital faking their illness OR they'll start attacking him… ughhh what trouble makers his parents are.

8:32 am
July 7, 2010


kck

Member

posts 32

My FH's parents did the faux illness thing too.  His mom likes to stop eating until she gets her way.  It's a dirty manipulative trick.  If you and he expect that they will do this, and are prepared for it, that will help.

 

I was in a long-distance relationship with my FH for two years while his parents were doing their disapproval thing (but not as severely as your situation I think).  You're not going to be able to see him as much, but try to talk to him on the phone every day.  It will help.  Visit on weekends if you can, and bring food if you think that's a good idea (I bet his mom did the cooking and he's going to eat ramen a lot otherwise, unless he likes to cook). 

 

Honestly I agree about the nikah.  Or if there's an engagement ceremony you can do, you should do that.  (I don't know much about Pakistani muslims, but there is a hindu engagement ceremony — it involved both sets of parents though — maybe you could have a trusted older person from your religious community do that job in place of his parents if necessary.)  The whole community will have recognized your relationship as legitimate, then, because that's what weddings are for.  If you do a nikah don't do it privately, either — invite people even if they won't show up. 

10:10 am
July 11, 2010


cakerbakergirl

Member

posts 39

Update:

 

His mother called him last night from Pakistan. She told him to go back home. He told her that he is stuck in a 3 month lease so he cannot move home and that he'd only visit if everyone promised to accept the situation (ie that he is marrying me). His mother made him promise to tell his father and siblings that he himself called her because apparently, the father forbade them all from contacting him since he "walked out on the family". His mother started asking questions about me such as if I drink or eat pork.

She also commented that she thought that maybe I looked better than when she briefly met me that time last summer. I guess his bro showed her some facebook pics or something. When I questioned him further about that comment, he told me that she didn't think I was attractive enough for him all this time. Apparently he told her she needed to stop thinking he was movie star gorgeous, that he is just a normal guy and so I am equal with him. I find all of this rather offensive and it really hurts my feelings. I know I am not unattractive by any means but to have a future mother in law who has been discussing my "inadequate looks" with the family is really hurtful.  I really want to talk to my parents about it because I know they'll make me feel better but I cannot because they will take it personally. Then there will be even less chance of a friendly first encouter between his family and mine. My parents are hugely protective and think I am the best thing in the world and that any guy would be ever so lucky to have me, so this whole experience has been really hard on them. My bf is having to fight for me as if I was the least educated, most unattractive immoral person in the world. I really shouldn't be surprised and I should have been prepared for this, knowing what I know about his mother in that she is extremely superficial despite the fact that she herself has not kept up her appearance at all (not to be bitchy but its true).

Sorry, just ranting/.

8:22 am
July 13, 2010


kck

Member

posts 32

Post edited 8:23 am – July 13, 2010 by kck


I know that doesn't sound good, but it is good.  His mom sounds like she's starting to come around.

 

I also think that there are different norms about commenting on people's relative attractiveness between American and South Asian cultures.  One of the first times I actually spent time with my MIL, she tried to get me to borrow my SIL's clothes.  When they didn't fit me, she jiggled my arm and said "Oh, you will go on a diet."  I'm 5'9", and about a size 10.  My SIL is barely 5 feet and probably size zero.  My bones wouldn't fit in her clothes.  For some reason she thinks it is OK to say these things, but I wasn't brought up to think it was OK.  I guess what I'm saying is, if your FMIL is commenting on your looks, yes the comments hurt, but at least she is commenting, you know?  It might be a caring thing for her, in a weird way.

 

I went with my FH to visit some aunts on Sunday and one of them mentioned that I looked too skinny.  Last time she saw me she thought I looked too fat.  I weigh exactly the same as I did then.  Then everybody joked about it, because we all know it's what aunties talk about.  It's a mystery.

1:20 pm
July 13, 2010


julia

Member

posts 44

I am seriously afraid that when I meet my boyfriend's parents they will think I am too fat.

 

@cakerbakergirl are you muslim?

8:39 am
July 18, 2010


cakerbakergirl

Member

posts 39

I luckily got over the comments… I decided to think that the diference was that the recent pics she saw of me were of me in salwar kameez where as when she met me, i was in jeans and a top, so perhaps seeing me in her kind of clothing just helped her realise I wasn't as bad as she initially thought.

Julia- I'm not Muslim yet… but I'll be converting soon. Something that luckily I was able to investigate further when my bf and I were broken up for those 5-6 months when I thought there was no hope of getting back together.

Yesterday, we were looking at engagement rings… big deal for a girl right?  First time ever for me and we were having fun when his mother called from Pakistan. We already knew that she was going to say nothing positive but still he left me hanging in teh store and went out to the care to be verbally abused, once again. I came back to the car eventually because I felt weird to be doing that type of browsing without him and he was of course and like usual, spent.

After that I told him that he is on probation, because that type of behavior is not putting me first at all. Its his usual act, constantly putting his parents before me and it has got to stop.

4:46 pm
July 20, 2010


Libbytd

New Member

posts 2

Hi there,

 

I've been following your saga for a while, and (like most of the people in
this forum) am in a similar situation.  I just want to caution you,
placing him on "probation" is not what he needs right now.  I
know (all too well) how hard it is to be viewed not only as not enough but as
down right bad when loads of other guys would count themselves extremely lucky
to have you.  But it's clear that your guy does count himself
extremely lucky to have you–if he didn't he wouldn't be (a) around, (b) asking
you to marry him, (c) making his life (and the lives of the only people he
loves as much as you) such a mess.  He needs your love and understanding
now.  

 

I know it sucks for you, but you have your family on your side to comfort
you and listen to your frustration and confusion surrounding the matter. 
He's missing that support system which means that you're all he's got.  If
you want to make sure he puts you first, show him that (unlike his family) you
aren't going to play games with him.  You're upset because he's not being
the rock you expect him to be, but it sounds like he's doing the best he can,
so it's your turn to do better.  If he's such a great guy, he'll probably
return the favor.

 

That said;  I think the two of you need to make a final decision about
marriage/your future together, because my guess is if it's presented to his
parents not in terms of "maybe I'll marry her," but instead as
"This is my Fiancée _______.  She converted to Islam last month and
we are getting married on June ___ 2011, and we really hope you'll be there
because I (he) love you, and the only thing I (he) love as much as you
(parents) is her (you!!)"  Put the ball in their court instead of
your man's.  It shouldn't be a question for him, he's made his decision
(YOU!), now it's their turn to decide if they rather lose him than gain
you. 

 

Good luck! It's really hard, but know it's not about you.  I've slowly
been realizing the same thing myself, and it's made happier and more confidant. 


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