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		<title>A Mixed-Race Beige World?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing I love about living in California is that the area is not just diverse - many parts of the US have racial and cultural diversity - but that the area has been diverse for such a long time. From the <a href="http://www.pbs.org/rootsinthesand/">Punjabi-Mexicans of Yuba City</a> to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American#Generations">Gosei generation</a> of the Japanese-Americans, this area has had, and continues to have both a striking ability to maintain important pieces of <a href="http://gorigirl.com/broken-traditions-intercultural-marriage-and-cultural-continuity">cultural continuity of immigrant group</a>s <strong>and</strong> a <a href="http://www.ppic.org/main/pressrelease.asp?p=337">high degree of intermarriage and mixed-race kids</a>. As I walk down the streets of San Francisco everyday, I'm struck by the number of people who look like they could have very diverse backgrounds.

Which brings me to the main topic of the day - the future of mixed-race-ness. You may have run across this idea before - that, in the future, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_of_the_Future">we're all going to be some beige color</a>]]></description>
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<p>One thing I love about living in California is that the area is not just diverse &#8211; many parts of the US have racial and cultural diversity &#8211; but that the area has been diverse for such a long time. From the <a href="http://www.pbs.org/rootsinthesand/">Punjabi-Mexicans of Yuba City</a> to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American#Generations">Gosei generation</a> of the Japanese-Americans, this area has had, and continues to have both a striking ability to maintain important pieces of <a href="http://gorigirl.com/broken-traditions-intercultural-marriage-and-cultural-continuity">cultural continuity of immigrant groups</a> <strong>and</strong> a <a href="http://www.ppic.org/main/pressrelease.asp?p=337">high degree of intermarriage and mixed-race kids</a>. As I walk down the streets of San Francisco everyday, I&#8217;m struck by the number of people who look like they could have very diverse backgrounds.</p>
<p>Which brings me to the main topic of the day &#8211; the future of mixed-race-ness. You may have run across this idea before &#8211; that, in the future, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_of_the_Future">we&#8217;re all going to be some beige color</a>. Heck, Russell Peters even has a few words on the topic:</p>
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<p>Of course, it&#8217;s not so simple as all that. Yes, it&#8217;s true that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage">interracial marriages</a> &#8211; and presumably mixed-race children- are on the rise world-wide. But it seems unlikely, at least to me, that interracial marriage will suddenly skyrocket in the places it needs to &#8211; like India and China &#8211; in order to have a &#8220;homogeneous&#8221; world population in two hundred or three hundred years. And then there&#8217;s the complications of slower intermarriage and changing birth rates. As one of the <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/the-global-human-ii/#comment-48548">commenters</a> on Razib of Gene Expression&#8217;s <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/the-global-human/">blog</a> <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/10/the-global-human-ii/">posts</a> on this topic points out, attempts to &#8220;average out&#8221; the current world population into an average man don&#8217;t work very well, since they don&#8217;t take into account current and future birth rates:</p>
<blockquote><p>Even ignoring the laws of hereditary when it comes to appearance and assuming there is no selection effect on different features one still needs to look at the time scales on which a blending of races would take place and take note of the differential birth rates.</p>
<p>We can’t project indefinitely but lets say three decade predictions are not completely useless and lets assume there is no quick rebound in fertility after the demographic transition in the works. If one takes there to be a hundred million or so more Ameridian, a billion more African, and say 500 million more Indian, and a hundred million less European faces in a composite of a “future human” one would get a much better if still deeply flawed picture.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/global2.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1715" title="global2" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/global2.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="385" /></a>Still as a member of a mixed-race family, with an eventual expectation of mixed-race kidlets, I find these sorts of &#8220;averagings&#8221; interesting, even if they aren&#8217;t particularly accurate. The face at the top of this post is <a href="http://www.quest.nl/braintainment/extra/quest101/winnaar-quest101-de-gemiddelde-wereldburger">one population-weighed average created using measurements from different racial groups</a>. The one to the left is created by <a href="http://faceresearch.org/demos/transform">using four composite of Northwest European, South &amp; West Asian, East Asian and African faces</a>. I still haven&#8217;t decided whether I think the first or the second is a more accurate representation of the current population, averaged out.</p>
<p>In the end, though, I think the most interesting piece of this &#8220;mixed-race&#8221; future is how it will affect society and social interactions. First there&#8217;s the claims that mixed race people increased genetic diverseness makes them <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-face-of-the-future-why-eurasians-are-changing-the-rules-of-attraction-523076.html">more attractive</a> and/or <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1268580/At-Its-cool-mixed-race-handy-Im-African-American-Jewish-Geordie-Irish-Scottish-Hungarian.html">healthier</a>. Then there are the claims that an increased percentage of mixed-race people will decrease racial tensions and general prejudices.</p>
<p>For the first claim regarding genetic fitness, well,  I&#8217;m rather skeptical of most social science claims of this type &#8211; they tend to be a bit shoddy on the science side of things. If it turns out to be true, cool, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s worth losing any sleep over it. The second claim I see as pretty naïve, although stemming from understandable premises. <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2009/10/a-beige-future/29356/">As Ta-Nehisi Coate, one of my favorite bloggers on race (and a host of other topics), writes</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>There is some truth to that&#8211;people tend to discriminate against people who are different from them, and the most obvious marker of difference is phenotype. From this perspective, a black/white marriage is a blow against racism, and our history of white supremacy, because it produces kids who presumably don&#8217;t represent the phenotypical extreme of blackness or whiteness. The hope is that one day, we&#8217;ll all be beige hence rendering racism inoperative, hence the &#8220;Beige Theory&#8221; of fighting racism.<br />
&#8230;.<br />
It may seem, at first glance like the ancient marital beef between blacks and whites extends from how different we look. But it&#8217;s so much more complicated. And humans being humans, even if we were all beige, we&#8217;d find some way to discriminate. Assuming that we can destroy whiteness or blackness, assumes that these are actual, tangible things which can&#8217;t be redefined, refitted and reformed. But history <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Became-White-Noel-Ignatiev/dp/0415918251">says otherwise</a>, and I&#8217;d argue that should we ever become one race, we&#8217;d basically create new ones.<br />
Circling back, it&#8217;s true that the interracial couple is striking a blow against white racism&#8211;but not because they&#8217;re creating a beige kid. They&#8217;re striking a blow because they&#8217;re thinking more about their own individuality, their own humanity, than about convention. We can all applaud that&#8211;and while applauding it, understand that the notion of fucking our way out of racism, presumes too much of our good will, and too little of our imagination.</p></blockquote>
<p>In other words, racism is not the ultimate fight &#8211; it&#8217;s all based on <a href="http://gorigirl.com/categories-generalizations-and-stereotypes-talking-about-cultural-differences">prejudices and stereotypes</a>, which are used to discriminate against groups. Race is just been the most convenient marker for separating out and grouping people &#8211; and has been since the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization#History">Age of Discovery, when global trade and interaction really took off</a>. Instead of imagining a future where we all look the same, where racism dies and another  prejudicial -ism begins, we should focus on people&#8217;s individuality and unique humanity.</p>
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		<title>The Real Stuff that Indians (Mostly in America) Like</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gori Girl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you've never checked out the <a href="http://blog.okcupid.com/">oktrends blog</a>, you're in for a treat. The company behind the blog, OKCupid, is an online dating site with a fun vibe and an extremely extensive, mostly young, cross-cultural group of users. Like any other dating site, OKCupid is sitting on a virtual treasure trove of social data - but OKCupid isn't afraid to use it. The <a href="http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-real-stuff-white-people-like/">blog's most recent post</a> focuses on some of the biggest cross-cultural questions out there, in fact, and uses some decent statistics to answer 'em.]]></description>
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<p>If you&#8217;ve never checked out the <a href="http://blog.okcupid.com/">oktrends blog</a>, you&#8217;re in for a treat. The company behind the blog, OKCupid, is an online dating site with a fun vibe and an extremely extensive, mostly young, diverse group of users. Like any other dating site, OKCupid is sitting on a virtual treasure trove of social data &#8211; but OKCupid isn&#8217;t afraid to use it. The <a href="http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-real-stuff-white-people-like/">blog&#8217;s most recent post</a> focuses on some of the biggest cross-cultural questions out there, in fact, and uses some decent statistics to answer &#8216;em.</p>
<p>In their own words, with the typical tongue-in-cheek humor of the site:</p>
<blockquote><p>What is it that makes a culture unique? How are <strong>whites</strong>, <strong>blacks</strong>, <strong>Asians</strong>, or whoever different from everybody else? What tastes, interests, and concepts define an ethnic group? And is there any way to make fun of other races in public and get away with it?</p></blockquote>
<p>The majority of the post focuses on separating out short phrases and words that show up more often in one (self-identified) racial group&#8217;s profiles more than in other racial groups&#8217; profiles. So, for example, <em>sushi</em> is pretty much as likely to show up in a white person&#8217;s profile as it is in a black person&#8217;s profile &#8211; but <em>sashimi </em>shows up in Asian people&#8217;s profiles much, much more often than it does in any other racial group&#8217;s profiles.</p>
<p>My first three thoughts after reading through the whole article were:</p>
<ol>
<li>Man, Aditya is not going to shut up about the Indian profiles&#8217; average writing level any time soon.</li>
<li>No <em>wonder</em> I&#8217;m attracted to Asian dudes &#8211; Calvin &amp; Hobbes is a statistically distinct &#8220;like&#8221; for them!</li>
<li>Why isn&#8217;t cricket in an even bigger font for Indian dudes?</li>
</ol>
<p>That last refers to, of course, the statistically distinct &#8220;likes&#8221;/phrases in Indian guys&#8217; profiles. You really aren&#8217;t going to be surprised by this list, I suspect:</p>
<p><a href="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Stuff-Indian-Guys-Like.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1603" title="Stuff Indian Guys Like" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Stuff-Indian-Guys-Like.jpg" alt="" width="513" height="518" /></a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to spoil the whole post for you &#8211; go over to <a href="http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-real-stuff-white-people-like/">oktrends</a> to find out what Indian women (or white women), on average, like, or the best way to tell the difference between black men &amp; white men&#8217;s likes, or why you should always laugh at a latio&#8217;s jokes. And remember, guys, that it&#8217;s all meant with a bit of fun. <img src='http://gorigirl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Interracial Divorce in the U.S. &#8211; Statistics and How Much They Matter</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gori Girl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Divorce. <strong>DIVORCE</strong>. It's one of those things America is known for around the world, along with Hollywood and blue jeans. I'm sure most of you have heard the statistic that "half of all marriages in America end in divorce". And it's commonly thought that it's even worse if you marry outside your race, culture, or religion - if the average American couple has such a difficult time staying married, wouldn't marriages where the husband and wife seem to have major differences (a built-in area of conflict, if you will) be even <em>more</em> prone to divorce?

With a reputation like that, it's understandable that a non-American family - one which strongly values familial ties (like many Indian families) - may hear the 50% divorce statistic and be a bit panicked when a son or daughter announces plans to marry an American. The logic, I suspect, goes something like
<blockquote>This American, growing up among divorce - perhaps even having divorced parents or other family members - probably has different expectations about how marriages work and how long marriages last. Thus, if we want our son/daughter to have a good marriage for life, they shouldn't get married to an American, since that means they'll have a 50% chance of getting a divorce! <strong>Fifty percent!</strong></blockquote>
There's enough concern about the issue of America's pesky divorce rate that there's even <a href="http://gorigirl.com/forum/family-relationships-1/family-divorce">a thread in the forum here on family divorces</a>, and how, if, or why they ought or ought not be disclosed to Indian family members.

Truth is, however, the statistics of divorce are rather complicated, and it's very easy to misinterpret what they mean for individual marriages. And <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/19/health/19divo.html?_r=1">that 50% divorce statistic? Not true<strong> </strong></a>.  <em>Especially</em> for interracial, intercultural, or international couples, where things get a bit more complicated.]]></description>
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<p>Divorce. <strong>DIVORCE</strong>. It&#8217;s one of those things America is known for around the world, along with Hollywood and blue jeans. I&#8217;m sure most of you have heard the statistic that &#8220;half of all marriages in America end in divorce&#8221;. And it&#8217;s commonly thought that it&#8217;s even worse if you marry outside your race, culture, or religion &#8211; if the average American couple has such a difficult time staying married, wouldn&#8217;t marriages where the husband and wife seem to have major differences (a built-in area of conflict, if you will) be even <em>more</em> prone to divorce?</p>
<p>With a reputation like that, it&#8217;s understandable that a non-American family &#8211; one which strongly values familial ties (like many Indian families) &#8211; may hear the 50% divorce statistic and be a bit panicked when a son or daughter announces plans to marry an American. The logic, I suspect, goes something like</p>
<blockquote><p>This American, growing up among divorce &#8211; perhaps even having divorced parents or other family members &#8211; probably has different expectations about how marriages work and how long marriages last. Thus, if we want our son/daughter to have a good marriage for life, they shouldn&#8217;t get married to an American, since that means they&#8217;ll have a 50% chance of getting a divorce! <strong>Fifty percent!</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s enough concern about the issue of America&#8217;s pesky divorce rate that there&#8217;s even <a href="http://gorigirl.com/forum/family-relationships-1/family-divorce">a thread in the forum here on family divorces</a>, and how, if, or why they ought or ought not be disclosed to Indian family members.</p>
<p>Truth is, however, the statistics of divorce are rather complicated, and it&#8217;s very easy to misinterpret what they mean for individual marriages. And <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/19/health/19divo.html?_r=1">that 50% divorce statistic? Not true<strong> </strong></a>.  <em>Especially</em> for interracial, intercultural, or international couples, where things get a bit more complicated.</p>
<h3>Conditional Probability and What It Means For Real Life</h3>
<p>No, don&#8217;t panic. I&#8217;m not going to start throwing mathematical equations up onto the page. But to understand how to correctly interpret divorce statistics (or any statistics, really), it&#8217;s important to understand the concept of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_probability">conditional probability</a>. In simple terms, <strong>conditional probability is about how the likelihood of an event occurring changes depending on what subgroup of the larger population you fall into.</strong></p>
<p>As an example, let&#8217;s consider the unemployment rate for people in the US. Perhaps some of you have heard that there&#8217;s this recession thing going on? Looking at <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/11/06/business/economy/unemployment-lines.html">this nifty graph from the New York Times</a>, we can see that the average unemployment rate for all people in the US from September &#8217;08 to September &#8217;09 was 8.6%. However, this does not mean that <em>everyone</em> has an 8.6 out of 100 chance of being unemployed. Playing with the graph, you can see that for the group of Americans with college degrees, the average unemployment rate was only 4.5%, which is not much higher than you&#8217;d expect to see from the usual <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_unemployment#Frictional_unemployment">frictional unemployment</a> that all economies, good and bad, have. If I add in my race, sex, and age into the calculator, I can see that for the group that best fits me the average unemployment rate is a mere 3.6%! And that&#8217;s without factoring in the geographical area I live in, which has extremely low unemployment rates generally (ah, the life of a government contractor!).</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">This is what conditional probability is all about. Yes, the average unemployment rate (for the time period we&#8217;re considering) is 8.6%, which is pretty worrying. But, once we take into account my specific characteristics &#8211; i.e. <strong>calculate the <em>probability</em> of unemployment <em>conditional</em> on the fact that I&#8217;m a mid-twenties, college-educated, white woman</strong> &#8211; we can see that, all other things being equal, it&#8217;s not really that likely that I&#8217;ll end up unemployed.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: left;">Divorce in the US and You</h3>
<p style="text-align: left;">As you can see from the example in the previous section, employing conditional probability to figure out the likelihood of something occurring for people <em>similar to you</em> can really change how bad (or good) a situation looks. This is why I&#8217;m typically very skeptical about applying general statistics to myself, or most of the people I know &#8211; it&#8217;s just unlikely that any individual is &#8220;average enough&#8221; for a statistic to be very meaningful. (Of course, this also goes for most generalizations &#8211; as <a href="http://gorigirl.com/categories-generalizations-and-stereotypes-talking-about-cultural-differences">I wrote in my post on categories, generalizations, and stereotypes,</a> they&#8217;re only useful in extremely limited circumstances.)</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The situation is no different with divorce in America &#8211; the divorce rate for different sorts of people varies <strong>dramatically</strong>. Luckily for us,  a &#8220;probability of divorce&#8221; calculator for Americans (similar to the New York Times&#8217; unemployment graph) has been <a href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/02/assessing-your-divorce-risk/">developed by a very cool economist</a>. Strangely, it&#8217;s called a marriage calculator, but, well, whatever. If you enter in your details (don&#8217;t worry, I don&#8217;t see them), you can find out the divorce rate statistics for Americans much more similar to you than the &#8220;average&#8221; American population. Play around with it a bit &#8211; the numbers can really vary dramatically depending on what subgroup you target.</p>
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<p>Pretty neat, huh?</p>
<h3>Interracial Divorce Statistics</h3>
<p>Of course, the widget above doesn&#8217;t take into account whether you&#8217;re in an intercultural or interracial or international marriage  &#8211; which, theoretically, should matter quite a bit. Unfortunately, the United States hasn&#8217;t been keeping great statistics on interracial related things (it was only in the last census that choosing mixed race was even an ethnicity option!). However, there is <em>some</em> data that has become available, and I recently found an article (spurred on by a post over at <a href="http://mylifeinbrown.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/are-interracial-relationships-better-or-worse/">My Life in Brown (and White)</a>) that discusses divorce probabilities -  <a href="http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/119400377/PDFSTART">&#8220;But Will It Last?&#8221;: Marital Instability Among Interracial and Same-Race Couples</a> (pdf) by Jenifer Bratter and Rosalind King, published in 2008. I highly encourage you to read the article yourself if you&#8217;re interested in this topic, but I&#8217;ll give you guys a basic summary (with a few simplifications for clarity) of it&#8217;s findings:</p>
<ol>
<li>Historically, the research regarding interracial divorce rates has been mixed, and has only dealt with <em>all</em> types of interracial marriage (white-black, white-Asian, black-Hispanic, etc, etc). This is problematic because, theoretically, you&#8217;d expect different sorts of pairings to have different divorce statistics, just as different sorts of same-race couples (white-white, Asian-Asian, etc) have different rates of divorce. What little data there is suggests that interracial marriages <em>are</em> more likely to end in divorce (13% more likely, according to one study) compared to same-race marriages. However, the interracial factor did not seem to have as much of an effect as things like age when married and education level.</li>
<li>It does seem like interracial couples, taken as a whole, are more &#8220;mixed&#8221; in regard to other socio-economic factors, such as class, education level, age, etc, than same-race couples. Since these other factors are also correlated with divorce, there&#8217;s a bit of chicken-and-egg problem in the correlation versus causation area: do interracial couples end up divorcing because they&#8217;re too different, or are people more prone to divorce to begin with <em>also </em>more likely to marry interracially? Right now we just don&#8217;t have the data to tell.</li>
<li>Overall, <strong>interracial marriages account for about5% of marriages in the United States </strong>- but this statistic doesn&#8217;t include some marriages that most people would think interracial, such as a marriage between a Korean and an Indian (since they&#8217;d both fall into the category of Asian) or the marriage of a person identifying as Hispanic white with a person identifying as a European white<strong> </strong>(since they&#8217;d both fall into the category of white). Here&#8217;s a breakdown of the percentage of various interracial marriages in the study:<br />
<a href="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Marriage-characteristics.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1309" title="Marriage characteristics" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Marriage-characteristics.jpg" alt="Marriage characteristics" width="444" height="282" /></a></li>
<li><strong>The study </strong><strong>did show elevated levels of divorce among interracial couples (taken as a whole) compared to same-race couples</strong>, just as previous studies have reported. The authors only considered marriages as &#8220;intact&#8221; if the couples made it to 10 years of marriage &#8211; this is because, if a marriage ends in divorce in the US, on average it ends by the eighth year. So if a couple makes it to ten years, it&#8217;s reasonable to say that they&#8217;re unlikely to divorce. If a couple was still married at the time the data was collected (2004), but hadn&#8217;t been married for ten years their information &#8220;censored&#8221; in the study in order to not bias the results (there are statistical techniques available to account for this).<br />
<a href="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Interracial-divorce.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1310" title="Interracial divorce" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Interracial-divorce.jpg" alt="Interracial divorce" width="453" height="149" /><br />
</a>Marriages were also censored if they ended in the death of the partner.</li>
<li><strong>The</strong> <strong>likelihood of divorce for intermarriages is greatly affected by the <em>type</em> of interracial marriage.</strong>
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<li>Marriages that do not cross a race barrier, but do have different ethnicities (i.e. white/Hispanic white) have a rate of divorce just a little higher than white/white marriages.</li>
<li>Interracial marriages that have one white person and one person of another race mostly only show higher divorce rates when the white spouse is a female (i.e. white guy + other race girl don&#8217;t show particularly high divorce rates compared to same-race couples).</li>
<li>Black husband/white wife marriages are <em>twice</em> as likely to divorce as white/white marriages, and <strong>Asian husband/white wife marriages are about 60% more likely to divorce as white/white marriages.</strong> Which, I suppose is an unfortunate statistic for Aditya and me (and one I didn&#8217;t expect at all)!</li>
<li>White husband/black wife were nearly 50% <em>less likely</em> to divorce than white/white couples, and white husband/Asian wife couples had pretty much the same divorce rate as white/white couples</li>
<li>Compared to Hispanic/Hispanic couples, Hispanic white/white couples showed a higher likelihood of divorce (not surprising). Likewise, Asian/white couples were more likely to divorce than Asian/Asian couples. However, black/white couples only show a higher rate of divorce compared to black/black couples if the white person in the relationship is a woman.</li>
<li>The researchers were unable to evaluate other sorts of interracial marriages, such as black/Asian, because of the low number of such couples in the sample data.</li>
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<h3>The Bottom Line</h3>
<p>So, by looking through these various statistics,  you can probably get a better idea of the likelihood of divorce for people more similar to you than the general American population. In the case of my marriage, for example, I get bonus points for the generation I belong to (the Baby Boomers were the big divorcers in America), for being pretty well educated, and for making it (so far) to three years of marriage. On the negative side of the ledger, Aditya and I seem to belong to some riskier groups, since we married relatively young (for Americans) and are an Asian male/white female couple. <strong>But how much should we care for these more accurate statistics?</strong> <strong>The bottom line is that these statistics are meaningful and important, but not the end all &amp; be all.</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority">a very common impulse to dismiss these statistics by saying that your marriage is above-average</a>, and the statistics just don&#8217;t hold for your individual case. Frankly, while that may be true, it&#8217;s more likely that,<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority#In_driving_ability"> like the 93% of American drivers who think they&#8217;re above-average drivers</a>, you&#8217;re overestimating yourself. These statistics <em>do</em> matter. If you seem to have ended up in a particularly high-risk group, I think it&#8217;d be valuable to think about ways you can work to strengthen your relationship. The point here is not to think that you&#8217;re doomed to divorce because you fall into a high-risk group &#8211; but that you can learn from the (sad) examples of others similar to you, and do your best to avoid their fate.</p>
<p>That being said, do note that there are a lot of factors being left out of these statistics. While the <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">marriage</span> divorce calculator above and the study on interracial couples do hit on many of the key characteristics that have been shown to predict divorce, there <em>are</em> other variables in play. For example, researchers think that interracial couples (as a whole) are more prone to divorce largely because they often lack support from their families, friends, and local community. So if you&#8217;ve got a great group of supportive friends, or your families are welcoming of your marriage, or you live in an area where there are lots of interracial marriages, you may be better off than other interracial couples that lack those things. (And if you don&#8217;t have those things, well, no one&#8217;s stopping you from moving or developing a better support network of friends.)</p>
<p>In the end, I firmly believe that we&#8217;re all in control of our own destinies. If you and your spouse are a great fit for one another, then there&#8217;s no reason why your marriage can&#8217;t last. If you&#8217;re looking forward to an interracial marriage, you certainly shouldn&#8217;t change your mind because of these statistics. Yes, we shouldn&#8217;t leap before looking &#8211; but, once you&#8217;ve looked and become mindful of the risks, don&#8217;t let fear keep you from taking a plunge.</p>
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		<title>Germany and Leaves: Social Norms</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The autumn season is upon us here in Virginia - the leaves have turned bright yellow, orange, red, and cover our yard and front walk in a multicolored carpet.

All I can think is that I'm <strong>so</strong> glad I don't live in Germany anymore.]]></description>
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<h6>Photo Credit: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/amothersheart/2038597629/">A Mother&#8217;s Heart Photography</a></h6>
<p>The autumn season is upon us here in Virginia &#8211; the leaves have turned bright yellow, orange, red, and cover our yard and front walk in a multicolored carpet.</p>
<p>All I can think is that I&#8217;m <strong>so</strong> glad I don&#8217;t live in Germany anymore.</p>
<p>Germans, you see, are expected by their neighbors to clear the fallen leaves from the sidewalk in front of their house. And the gutters. And the front yard. The driveway, if there is one. <strong>Daily. </strong>Or, at least, that was the expectation in the hamlet I lived at in Northern Germany for the year I was working as an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Au_pair">au pair</a>. During that fall, though, I thought of my title as less &#8220;Au Pair Extraordinaire&#8221; and more as &#8220;Girl Chasing After Leaves Every. Freaking. Day. (Extraordinaire)&#8221;. I swept up a lot of leaves,  secretly thinking the social rule <em><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/yoursay/weird_words/german/ich_bin_stutzig_weil_es_doof_ist.shtml">doof</a></em> (stupid or daft). Still, it was the custom of the land. The neighbors would have thought it incredibly rude if the family I was working for didn&#8217;t keep the area in the front of their house clean of leaves as much as possible &#8211; nearly as rude as running the loud lawnmower or vacuum on a Sunday, when neighbors nearby are meant to be relaxing together in quiet harmony, like all German families. The shops close on Sundays, in fact, to enforce this family bonding time (or so I was told).</p>
<p>Social customs regarding what is and isn&#8217;t polite behavior is such an odd thing &#8211; especially when they aren&#8217;t <em>your </em>culture&#8217;s customs, eh? Learning about other cultures&#8217; understanding of &#8220;correct&#8221; social interaction makes one realize just how constructed &#8211; and arbitrary &#8211; many social rules are.<a href="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Drowning-in-Leaves.jpg"><img src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Drowning-in-Leaves.jpg" alt="" title="Drowning in Leaves" width="520" height="240" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1518" /></a></p>
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		<title>Words on Hindostan &#8211; Part Three</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[We return to crotchety old Mrs. Mortimer's Victorian children's stories on India (a country Mrs. Mortimer unfortunately never had a chance to actually visit). Today's lessons from the 1850's focus on animals, thugs, and women - and why Mrs. Mortimer chose to group her subjects in such a manner, well, I'll leave that to all of you to ponder.  As always, I do think there are some interesting details in Mrs. Mortimer's account of India; reading between the lines, you can get a both an account of India and an idea of how the British viewed their colonies.  And if that<em> doesn't draw you in, how about learning the etymology of the word </em><a href="http://podictionary.com/?p=877">thug</a><em>?  (For those of you just tuning in, here are the links to <a title="Words on Hindoostan Part One" href="http://gorigirl.com/words-on-hindostan-part-one">Part One </a>and <a title="Words on Hindostan Part Two" href="http://gorigirl.com/words-on-hindostan-part-two">Part Two</a></em>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>We return to crotchety old Mrs. Mortimer&#8217;s Victorian children&#8217;s stories on India (a country Mrs. Mortimer unfortunately never had a chance to actually visit). Today&#8217;s lessons from the 1850&#8242;s focus on animals, thugs, and women &#8211; and why Mrs. Mortimer chose to group her subjects in such a manner, well, I&#8217;ll leave that to all of you to ponder.  As always, I do think there are some interesting details in Mrs. Mortimer&#8217;s account of India; reading between the lines, you can get a both an account of India and an idea of how the British viewed their colonies.  And if </em>that<em> doesn&#8217;t draw you in, how about learning the etymology of the word </em><a href="http://podictionary.com/?p=877">thug</a><em>?  (For those of you just tuning in, here are the links to <a title="Words on Hindoostan Part One" href="http://gorigirl.com/words-on-hindostan-part-one">Part One </a>and <a title="Words on Hindostan Part Two" href="http://gorigirl.com/words-on-hindostan-part-two">Part Two</a>.</em><br />
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<h3 style="text-align: center;">Animals</h3>
<p>Some of the fiercest and most disagreeable animals are highly honoured in India.</p>
<p>The monkey is counted as a god; the consequence is, that the monkeys, finding they are treated with respect, grow very bold, and are continually scrambling upon the roofs of the houses. <img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-705" title="Serpent Worship" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/serpent-worship.bmp" alt="Serpent Worship" />In one place there is a garden where monkeys riot about at their pleasure, for all in that garden is for them alone, the delicious fruits, the cool fountains, the shady bowers, all are for the worthless, mischievous monkeys.</p>
<p>But if it be strange for men to worship monkeys, is it not stranger still to worship <em>snakes</em> and <em>serpents</em>? Yet there is a temple in India where serpents crawl about at their pleasure, where they are waited upon by priests, and fed with fruits and every dainty. How much delighted must the old serpent be with this worship!</p>
<p>Kites also, those fierce birds, are worshiped. There is meat sold in shops on purpose for them; and it is bought and thrown up in the air to the great greedy creatures.</p>
<p>There are splendid peacocks flying about in the woods, but the Hindoos do not worship them; they shoot and eat them.</p>
<p>Of all the animals in India there is none which terrifies man so much as the tiger. The Bengal tiger is a fine and fierce beast. Woe to the man or woman on whom he springs! What then do you think must become of the man who falls into his den? These dens are generally hid in jungles, which are places covered with trees, and overgrown with shrubs and tall grass.</p>
<p>A gentleman was once walking through a jungle, when he felt himself sinking into the ground, while a cloud of dust blinded his eyes. Soon he heard a low growling noise. He fancied that  he had sunk into a den, and so he had. Beside him lay some little tigers, too young indeed to hurt him; but these tigers had a mother, and she could not be far off, though she was not in the den when the stranger fell in. The astonished man felt there was no time to be lost, for the tigress, he knew, would soon return to her cubs. How could he prepare to meet her? He had neither gun nor sword, nor even stick in his hand. But a thought came into his head. Snatching a silk handkerchief from his neck, and taking another from his pocket, he bound them tightly round his arm up to his elbow; and thus prepared to meet his enemy. She soon appeared, crouching on the ground, and then with a spring leaped upon the stranger. At the same moment the brave man thrust his arm between her open jaws, and seizing hold of her rough tongue, twisted it backwards and forwards with all his might. The beast was now unable to close her mouth, and to bite with her sharp fangs; but she could scratch with her sharp claws; and scratch she did, till the clothes were torn off the man&#8217;s body, and the flesh from his bones. But the brave man would not loose his hold; and the tigress was tired out first: alarmed,—with a sudden start backward, she jerked her tongue out of the man&#8217;s hand, and rushed out of the den and out of the jungle.</p>
<p>How glad was the man to escape from a horrible fate! his body was faint and bleeding; but his life was preserved, and his heart overflowed with gratitude to God for his wonderful deliverance. He who delivered Daniel from the lion&#8217;s den delivered him from the tiger&#8217;s den. The tiger&#8217;s mouth, indeed, had not been shut; but his open mouth had not been suffered to devour the Lord&#8217;s servant.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;">The Thugs</h3>
<p>There is a set of people in India more dangerous than wild beasts. They are called Thugs, that is, deceivers; and well do they deserve the name, for their whole employment is to <em>deceive</em> that they may<em> destroy</em>. Yet they are not ashamed of their wickedness; for they worship the goddess Kalee, and they know that she delights in blood. Before they set out on one of their cruel journeys, they bow down before the image of Kalee, and they ask her to bless the shovel and the cloth that they hold in their hands.</p>
<p>What are they for?</p>
<p>The cloth is to strangle poor travelers, and the shovel to dig their graves.</p>
<p>A Hindoo family were once traveling when they overtook three men on the way. These men seemed very civil and obliging; and they soon got acquainted with the family, and accompanied them on their journey. Who were these men? Alas! they were Thugs. It was very foolish of the family to be so ready to go with strangers. At last they came up to three other men, who were sitting under the shade of a tree, eating sugared rice. These men also were Thugs; and they had agreed with the other Thugs to help them in their wicked plans. But the family thought they were kind and friendly men, and consented to sit down with them in the shade, end to partake of their food. They did not know that with the rice was mixed a sort of drug to cause people to fall asleep. The family ate and fell asleep: and when they were asleep, the Thugs strangled them all with their cloths,—the father, the mother, and the five young people,—and then with their shovels they dug their graves. But before they buried them they stripped them of their garments and their jewels; for it was to get their precious spoils they had committed these dreadful murders. The Thugs went afterwards to the priests of Kalee to receive a blessing, and they rewarded the priests by giving them some of their stolen treasures.</p>
<p>But, after all, these wicked men did not escape punishment; for the English governors heard of their crimes, and caught them, and brought them to justice. Then these murderers confessed the wicked deed just related: but this was not their only crime; for it had been the business of their lives to rob and to destroy.</p>
<p>Do not these Thugs resemble him who is always walking about seeking whom he may devour? Only he destroys the <em>soul</em> as well as the <em>body</em>. He is the great Deceiver, and the great Destroyer. None but God can keep us from falling into his power: therefore we pray, &#8221; Deliver us from evil,&#8221; or from the evil one.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;">The Hindoo Women</h3>
<p>It is a miserable thing to be a Hindoo lady. While she is a very little girl, she is allowed to play about, but when she comes to be ten or twelve years, she is shut up in the back rooms of the house till she is married; and when she is married she is still shut up. She may indeed walk in the garden at the back of the house, but nowhere else.</p>
<p>Hindoo ladies are not taught even those trifling accomplishments which Chinese ladies learn; they can neither paint, nor play music; much less can they read or write. They amuses themselves by putting on their ornaments, or by making curries and sweetmeats to please their husbands: but most of their time they spend in idleness, sauntering about and chattering nonsense. As rich Hindoos have several wives, the ladies are not alone; and being so much together, they quarrel a great deal.</p>
<p>Some English ladies once visited the house of a rich Hindoo. They were led into the court at the back of the house, and shown into a little chamber. One by one some women came in, all looking very shy and afraid to speak; yet dressed very fine in muslin sarees, worked with gold and silver flowers, and they were adorned with pearls and diamonds. At last they ventured to admire the clothes of their visitors, and even to touch them. Then they asked the English ladies to come and see their jewels; and they took them into a little dark chamber with gratings for windows, and displayed their treasures. They talked very loud, and all together and so foolishly, that the ladies reproved them. The poor creatures replied, &#8220;We should like to learn to read and work like the English ladies; but we have nothing to do, and so we are accustomed to be idle, and to talk foolishly. Do come again, and bring us books, and pictures, and dolls.&#8221;</p>
<p>You see what useless, wearisome lives the Hindoo <em>ladies</em> lead. Now hear what hard and wretched lives the <em>poor</em> women lead. The wife of a poor man rises from her mat before it is day, and by the light of a lamp spins cotton for the family clothing. Next she feeds the children, and sweeps the house and yard, and cleans the brass and stone vessels. Then she washes the rice, bruises, and boils it. By this time it is ten o&#8217;clock, when she goes with some other women to bathe in the river, or if there be no river near, in a great tank of rain-water. While there, she often makes a clay image of her god, and worships it with prayers, and bowings, and offerings of fruit and flowers, for nearly an hour. On her return home she prepares the curry for dinner: her kitchen is a clay furnace in the yard, and there she boils the rice. When dinner is ready, she dares not sit down with her husband to eat it: no, she places it respectfully before his mat, and then retires to the yard. Her little boys eat with their father; but her little girls dine with her upon the food that is left.</p>
<p>It is not the busy life she leads that makes a poor woman unhappy: it is the ill-treatment she endures. A kind word is seldom spoken to her: but a hard blow is often given. Her own boys are encouraged to insult her because she is only a woman. She is taught to worship her husband as a god, however bad he may be. There is a proverb which shows how much women are despised in India. &#8221; How can you place the black rice-pot beside the golden spice-box!&#8221; By the rice-box a woman is meant: by the spice-box a man: and the meaning of the proverb is that a wife is unworthy to sit at the same table with her husband.</p>
<p>In this manner a <em>wife</em> is treated: a <em>widow</em> is still more despised. However young she may be, she is not allowed to marry again; but is obliged to live in her father&#8217;s house, or (if she has no father) in her brother&#8217;s house, to do the hardest work, and never to eat more than one meal a day, and that meal of the coarsest food. Widows used to burn themselves in a great fire with their husbands&#8217; dead bodies; but the English government has forbidden them to do so any more; but their hard-hearted relations make them as miserable as possible.</p>
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		<title>Broken Traditions? Intercultural Marriage and Cultural Continuity</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">A new commenter, <strong>Lurker frequent</strong>, brought up this interesting topic in regards to intercultural marriages in <a href="http://gorigirl.com/intercultural-interviews-indian-parents-perspective-part-two#comment-12617724">the comments section of my last post</a>:</p>

<blockquote>As an Indian in the USA; the only reason I would not want to marry a local is to not "lose" my own traditions and culture. Minds meeting , and matching interests and hearts are more important, but certainly , coming from an old and rich tradition, one would want to preserve it by having a completely Indian family, no? Thoughts?</blockquote>
It seems to me that there are several issues in play here, some of which Aditya and I discussed in the comments section when <strong>Lf</strong> first wrote out his comment (do <a href="http://gorigirl.com/intercultural-interviews-indian-parents-perspective-part-two#comment-12617724">check it out</a>).
<ol>
	<li>What is meant by cultural continuity? Is it something we should value, and if so, why? Does intercultural marriage (which often leads to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Culture_Kids">Third Culture Kids</a>) automatically mean that the cultures of the parents is ending?</li>
	<li>What does it mean to say that India has an "old and rich tradition" (compared, presumably, against America or other Western cultures' younger and poorer traditions)? Is <em>it</em> something we should value? What exactly do we mean by tradition, anyways?</li>
	<li>What sort of culture - or cultures - do we want to have in our own lives? For those of us in intercultural relationships, what (if anything) are we losing by not creating a monocultural family? Will our lives be richer for it? Poorer? What about extended families?</li>
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Well, that's a lot of questions! Enough for a book or three, certainly, so I'll just give a simplified sketch of my own views on this matter, than open it up to the rest of you.]]></description>
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<p>A new commenter, <strong>Lurker frequent</strong>, brought up this interesting topic in regards to intercultural marriages in <a href="http://gorigirl.com/intercultural-interviews-indian-parents-perspective-part-two#comment-12617724">the comments section of my last post.</a></p>
<blockquote><p>As an Indian in the USA; the only reason I would not want to marry a local is to not &#8220;lose&#8221; my own traditions and culture. Minds meeting , and matching interests and hearts are more important, but certainly , coming from an old and rich tradition, one would want to preserve it by having a completely Indian family, no? Thoughts?</p></blockquote>
<p>It seems to me that there are several issues in play here, some of which Aditya and I discussed in the comments section when <strong>Lf</strong> first wrote out his comment (do <a href="http://gorigirl.com/intercultural-interviews-indian-parents-perspective-part-two#comment-12617724">check it out</a>).</p>
<ol>
<li>What is meant by cultural continuity? Is it something we should value, and if so, why? Does intercultural marriage (which often leads to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Culture_Kids">Third Culture Kids</a>) automatically mean that the cultures of the parents is ending?</li>
<li>What does it mean to say that India has an &#8220;old and rich tradition&#8221; (compared, presumably, against America or other Western cultures&#8217; younger and poorer traditions)? Is <em>it</em> something we should value? What exactly do we mean by tradition, anyways?</li>
<li>What sort of culture &#8211; or cultures &#8211; do we want to have in our own lives? For those of us in intercultural relationships, what (if anything) are we losing by not creating a monocultural family? Will our lives be richer for it? Poorer? What about extended families?</li>
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<p>Well, that&#8217;s a lot of questions! Enough for a book or three, certainly, so I&#8217;ll just give a simplified sketch of my own views on this matter, than open it up to the rest of you.<span id="more-860"></span></p>
<h3>What is cultural continuity?</h3>
<p>Let&#8217;s get one thing straight: cultures &#8211; <em>all</em> cultures &#8211; are constantly changing. And by culture here, I mean &#8220;the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes a society&#8221; &#8211; i.e. <strong>culture is the sum of all learned human behaviors in a particular society</strong>. What one generation learns from the previous will change as a society adapts to different conditions. The rate of the change that a culture goes through will generally vary based on the internal and external conditions or pressures a society faces, such as technological innovation, changing resources, and contact with other cultures.</p>
<p>For example, most Americans today would not be able to survive for very long in the wild, but the pioneers in the early days of our nation certainly could and did. As &#8220;frontier America&#8221; transformed into towns and cities knowing how to live off the land became a less important skill than those that allowed you to work in an office or factory in town.</p>
<p><strong>So what is cultural continuity, if all cultures are constantly in a state of flux?</strong> Well, while everything in a culture can change, certain societal structures and beliefs &#8211; often embedded in religion or religious belief itself &#8211; are resistant to change and experience it more slowly. Hinduism in India, and the caste system which has become entwined to some extent with Hinduism, are both good examples of long-standing cultural traditions. But even they have changed over time to stay relevant, as my husband, Aditya, mentioned in his original response to <strong>Lurker frequent:</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>The survival of traditions is in being able to remain relevant with changing times. Even following Hindu traditions &amp; scriptures, you can see clear evidence of the evolution of Hinduism when it responds to new &#8220;challengers&#8221; like Buddhism (Bhagavad Gita), Islam (Vedanta revival) and Christianity (Vivekananda).</p></blockquote>
<p>So it&#8217;s <em>not</em> that culture continuity requires that a culture stays the same &#8211; that&#8217;s impossible &#8211; just that <strong>certain central aspects of a culture, such as particular beliefs or traditions, remain</strong>. To return to the example of &#8220;living off the land&#8221; in the US, while most Americans can&#8217;t survive out in the wild, there remains an ethos of individuality in American culture: a belief that a person should be able to stand on his own two feet without help from others or the government, just as pioneers were required to do.</p>
<h3>Should we value cultural continuity?</h3>
<p>I personally think that a part of the human mind craves traditions, rituals, and continuity, although this need is expressed to a greater or lesser extent in individuals. <strong>So, yes &#8211; to some degree cultural continuity is a desirable feature to have, both in society at large and in our individual lives</strong>. That being said, it isn&#8217;t the end all and be all: &#8220;tradition for tradition&#8217;s sake&#8221; is an argument easily overrode by more pressing &#8220;goods&#8221; such as freedom of choice, happiness, justice, and so forth. By that I mean that <strong>traditions cannot justify actions that hurt people or deny them their basic human rights</strong>.</p>
<p>As Aditya said in his comment:</p>
<blockquote><p>I do think that the argument (or preserving traditions) are well intentioned, but the fact of the matter is that traditions must be revisited constantly to remain relevant. If we froze our traditions as they were in the 16th century, we&#8217;d still have women locked in the kitchen.<br />
Unfortunately, this argument is also being made all over the world today to deny basic human rights to minorities and oppressed groups&#8230; from the denial of political rights to women, to outlawing gay marriage, the mantra of &#8220;this is not how it has always been&#8221; has become the central &#8220;argument&#8221; against progress of society.</p></blockquote>
<p>Leaving aside the moral argument, which I hope all of you understand without my expanding upon it, <strong>following some traditions in the modern age is simply irrational.</strong> Traditions, after all, were formed to help societies function well &#8211; but societies today don&#8217;t exactly look like (or require the same things) as they did when these traditions were developed. Consider, for example, the traditionally arranged economy (the Indian caste system is one version of this), where a child follows in the work of his father. This system <em>only</em> functions as a good tradition in societies where</p>
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<li>The work doesn&#8217;t change much from one generation to another.  Otherwise, there&#8217;s no point in having the child learn a skill at the knee of his father that will be antiquated by the time child is old enough to enter the workforce, and</li>
<li>The work <em>isn&#8217;t</em> specialized enough that only some people have the particular skill set, mental abilities, and personality to do it well. Otherwise children will be trained from childhood to do a job that they aren&#8217;t well-suited for &#8211; there&#8217;s no reason to expect my future kids will rock out as product managers just because Aditya does.</li>
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<p>In today&#8217;s economy, neither of these points holds true, and thus the traditionally-arranged economy should be abandoned purely on utility grounds &#8211; a society that practices it won&#8217;t do as well as a society that doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p><strong>So for a tradition to be continued today, it should:</strong></p>
<ol>
<li><strong>be rational &#8211; actually help the society &amp; people that practice it</strong></li>
<li><strong>be moral &#8211; not hurt individuals or their free practice of their basic human rights</strong></li>
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<p>With the increased pace of technological innovation today, many long-standing traditions have been ending, amid outcries from critics that capitalism or globalization or American cultural imperialism are ruining cultures left and right, leading to a homogenization of the world. This is largely bullshit.</p>
<p>Yes, societies around the world are becoming more similar &#8211; there is more of world-wide culture today than ever before.<strong> </strong>But subcultures and individuals&#8217; choices within cultures are more diverse than ever before as well. People today have (more of) a choice of whether they want to follow a tradition that isn&#8217;t actually rational in today&#8217;s world &#8211; or one that violates people&#8217;s human rights, such as the caste system. Moreover, today we are able to witness some amazing creative efforts as people combine two traditions to make a completely new &#8211; and wonderful &#8211; tradition or art form. See, for example, <a href="http://gorigirl.com/michael-jackson-bhangra-awesome">my post on Michael Jackson and bhangra</a>. (Now, while I&#8217;d like to move the focus back to intercultural relationships, if you&#8217;d like to read more on this topic I recommend starting off with economist Tyler Cowen&#8217;s article<em> Creative Destruction</em>, which can be found<a title="Tyler Cowen's Creative Destruction" href="http://www.gmu.edu/jbc/Tyler/TylerNATIONALPOST.doc"> here as a word document</a>.)</p>
<h3>Intercultural marriage and creative destruction</h3>
<p>Intercultural marriage is a perfect example of the creative destruction that, when successful, leads to both great innovation and happy, meaningful lives. Every marriage consists of the creation of a new family culture &#8211; but with intercultural marriages each individual is bringing a completely distinct culture and set of traditions to the table to be combined. <strong>Yes, there will almost certainly be fewer pieces of a Indian culture or Bengali culture in Aditya&#8217;s and my &#8220;family culture&#8221; than there would be if he had married another Indian &#8211; but we can choose to keep the worthwhile traditions while eliminating the rest.</strong></p>
<p>We can keep <a title="From Athiest to Hindu" href="http://gorigirl.com/from-atheist-to-hindu">statues of the gods around the house to remind us of our values</a>, we can play and watch cricket on the weekends, remember that <a href="http://gorigirl.com/wait-i-thought-this-was-my-house">our home is also the home of our family</a>, and have lovely saris and Indian tunics in the closets. We can also keep the best of American traditions and culture. We celebrate a secular family Christmas with an exchange of presents, watch (too much) great tv programming that comes out of Hollywood, train our dogs following Western methods like <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.k9web.com%2Fdog-faqs%2Fcrating.html&amp;ei=w75fSqy7J4fKtgfQreXECA&amp;usg=AFQjCNH3CF6XA2ZbTvb5m6uJZCP0RAZIkw&amp;sig2=WSK7s0Y6xk_3BVSQVWqwVA">crating</a>, and have (fasionably) torn jeans in the dressers.</p>
<p>It takes effort to combine two cultures successfully, and a willing attitude to learn from both partners. But I personally feel the effort is more than paid back by the results. Is it worthwhile for everyone? Of course not! Intercultural relationships are <em>hard work</em>. (All relationships require hard work, of course, but there tend to be more difficult variables in an intercultural marriage than a monocultural one.)</p>
<p>If you really want all of the traditions you grew up with to be part of your adult life, then you should probably choose something other than an intercultural match, since that&#8217;s unlikely to happen in an intercultural marriage unless your partner is willing to give up all of <em>his or her</em> cultural traditions. Of course, given the speed of cultural and technological change, it&#8217;s unlikely that all of the traditions you grew up with will be a part of your adult life anyways. As Aditya said,</p>
<blockquote><p>In the reality of the globalized world of today, intercultural relationships give us a glimpse of a future where the free flow of information and people have broken down meaningless antiquated boundaries.</p></blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you haven't been following the current protests and events in Iran, then I highly encourage you to do so.

For those of you who haven't heard about the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_presidential_election,_2009">Iran elections</a> (not surprising given the relatively light coverage in mainstream media), Iran held presidential elections this past Friday on June 12th. The current hardline president, <a title="Mahmoud Ahmadinejad" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad">Ahmadinejad</a>, was announced the winner, but <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/iran-does-have-some-fishy-numbers.html">the elections results released are extremely fishy</a>, and not in line with what opinion polls were predicting. The main statistical improbability is that Ahmadinejad had roughly the same percentage of votes (around 65%)  across different rural and urban areas and across different provinces, including the home provinces of his opponents and ones like Kurdistan, which historically goes for the opposition candidate like California goes for the Democratic one.

So what, right? Just another sadly rigged third-world election?

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If you haven&#8217;t been following the current protests and events in Iran, then I highly encourage you to do so.</p>
<p>For those of you who haven&#8217;t heard about the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_presidential_election,_2009">Iran elections</a> (not surprising given the relatively light coverage in mainstream media), Iran held presidential elections this past Friday on June 12th. The current hardline president, <a title="Mahmoud Ahmadinejad" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad">Ahmadinejad</a>, was announced the winner, but <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/iran-does-have-some-fishy-numbers.html">the elections results released are extremely fishy</a>, and not in line with what opinion polls were predicting. The main statistical improbability is that Ahmadinejad had roughly the same percentage of votes (around 65%)  across different rural and urban areas and across different provinces, including the home provinces of his opponents and ones like Kurdistan, which historically goes for the opposition candidate like California goes for the Democratic one.</p>
<p>So what, right? Just another sadly rigged third-world election?</p>
<p>Well, as the pictures here show: <a href="http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_disputed_election.html">No</a>.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6492998.ece">young people of Iran</a> &#8211; and the 30-and-under&#8217;s are 70% of Iran&#8217;s population &#8211; are in the streets protesting en mass. Earlier today there was a group of <strong>one or two million</strong> in Tehran at a rally. While the government is doing their best to shut down media, the youth is organizing by sending out <a href="http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23IranElection">twitters</a> and <a href="http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23IranElection">pictures</a> on their cell phones &#8211; which also allows for unprecented access for us outside of Iran to watch events unfold. The best compliation of sources I&#8217;ve found is at <a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/">the blog of Andrew Sullivan of The Atlantic</a>.</p>
<p>So why should you care? Besides the fact that there are 70 million people living in Iran without many of the freedoms that those of us in functioning democracies take for granted, Iran and Iran&#8217;s youth may be one of the West&#8217;s best chances to start a fruitful dialogue between us and Muslim nations in the Middle East. As Andrew Sullivan writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ve long believed that Iran was much more likely to become a democracy than its neighboring Arab states &#8211; and that this might be the key to unwinding the clash of civilizations that was hurtling us toward apocalyptic scenarios. Part of it is that being immersed in online media, I&#8217;m perhaps more aware of the vibrant debate, evolving culture and amazing passion of Iran&#8217;s Millennials. So this day is a moment of great hope and joy for those of us who have been waiting for it and knowing that one day, it would come.</p></blockquote>
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		<description><![CDATA[I've been sick the past few days - the sort where you just sit in bed and alternate between sleeping &#038; reading.  So, not a lot of blog posts here, but I've had a chance to catch up with a few new blogs that have come to my attention recently. A few of them have been added to the blogroll recently, but without much ado. So now it's time to make a bit of an ado - here's some of the best posts I've found.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been sick the past few days &#8211; the sort where you just sit in bed and alternate between sleeping &amp; reading.  So, not a lot of blog posts here, but I&#8217;ve had a chance to catch up with a few new blogs that have come to my attention recently. A few of them have been added to the blogroll recently, but without much ado. So now it&#8217;s time to make a bit of an ado &#8211; here&#8217;s some of the best posts I&#8217;ve found.</p>
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<h2>Gori Rajkumari<a href="http://auroracoda.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/communication-is-the-key/"><img class="size-full wp-image-548 alignright" title="gori-rajkumari" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/gori-rajkumari.bmp" alt="gori-rajkumari" width="346" height="178" /></a></h2>
<p>You might have run across auroracoda a few times in the comments here &#8211; she&#8217;s made some really great points, most recently in the comments on the <a href="http://gorigirl.com/of-love-and-race">Of Love and Race post</a>. Well, it looks like she&#8217;s started her own blog, and her most recent post, <a href="http://auroracoda.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/communication-is-the-key/">Communication is key</a>, is quite insightful:</p>
<blockquote><p>The very first rule…communication.  Just because your love is from another country doesn’t mean that they are from another world.  We all want the same thing and really, we all share commonality no matter where we were born.  If you were dating someone from the US, you wouldn’t just take a back seat to your relationship and wait for them to tell you what’s going on would you? &#8230; If you’re in a secure and mature relationship, you should both feel comfortable enough to talk to each other about potentially uncomfortable topics.</p></blockquote>
<h2>Memoirs of a White Chinese Daughter-in-law</h2>
<p><a href="http://wwwwhitechinese.blogspot.com/2008/11/low-tech-lifestyle.html"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-564" title="Memoirs of a White Chinese Daughter-in-law" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/memoirs-of-a-white-chinese-daughter-in-law.bmp" alt="Memoirs of a White Chinese Daughter-in-law" width="297" height="168" /></a> The title &#8211; and picture of her lovely family &#8211; makes the subject of this blog pretty clear. I&#8217;ve really enjoyed going through the archives of this blog, reading the story of Teresa&#8217;s life in Taiwan. She moved to the island in 1982 &#8211; at the time she only a knew a few words of Mandarin! She actually hasn&#8217;t gotten to the point of the story where she meets her now-husband (at least, that&#8217;s where I <em>hope</em> the story is goin), but I&#8217;ve been learning quite a bit of cool things about old-school Taiwan &#8211; and realizing how easy I have it in regards to language. <em>I</em> just needing to learn Hindi and Bengali &#8211; she had to learn a tonal language! My <a title="Low Tech Lifestyle" href="http://wwwwhitechinese.blogspot.com/2008/11/low-tech-lifestyle.html">favorite post</a> so far is on the low-tech lifestyle she needed to adopt while in Taiwan (the description of the bathrooms there remind me of Indian bathrooms quite a bit):</p>
<blockquote><p>Finally, we asked one of our English-speaking friends that last night before school started. It was an emergency because we needed clean clothes for school the next day. Boy, did we get an earful. The English speakers all descended on our apartment and all our roommates joined in the show. The whole female population of the student center apartments was going to teach the simple-minded Americans how to wash clothes.</p></blockquote>
<h2>neoIndian</h2>
<p><a href="http://neoindian.org/about/"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-567" title="neoIndian" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/neoindian.bmp" alt="neoIndian" width="304" height="94" /></a> This blog&#8217;s snarky tone is a breath of fresh air in the Indian blogosphere &#8211; and somehow the third person pronouncements fit just right. The author is an Indian-American recently moved to the homeland. His posts on the good, the bad, and the ugly of India are witty, fun, and quite insightful, especially for those of us considering an eventual move to India. He&#8217;s got a great resource post on the nitty-gritty of getting life going in India, but I think the post called <a href="http://neoindian.org/2009/02/26/the-secret-healing-powers-of-bangalore%E2%80%99s-traffic/">The secret healing powers of Bangalore’s traffic</a> gives a better idea of the general writing style:</p>
<blockquote><p>In the US, Mrs. Neo shook her head knowingly and disapprovingly at every wrong turn, narrowly missed green light or wrong freeway exit. She looked triumphant when the Neo family arrived late after following Neo’s choice of routes (never mind the fact that the Neo family was late because they left late).</p>
<p>In Bangalore, Mrs. Neo has quickly learned that if she keeps gasping and sighing for every near-miss, she will hyperventilate faster than a tragically over-enthusiastic Art of Living newbie. (True story: Neo got thrown out of a Business Art of Living “training program” because he asked the teacher “So how come God created humans with such poor breathing technique?”)</p></blockquote>
<h2>Intercultural Talk</h2>
<p><a href="http://interculturaltalk.org/2009/01/29/top-10-ways-to-learn-about-another-cultureor-just-1-ask/"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-574" title="intercultural-talk" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/intercultural-talk.bmp" alt="intercultural-talk" width="335" height="146" /></a>Intercultural Talk is written by a woman in an intercultural relationship, but as a marketing professional in the field of cross-cultural communication, it&#8217;s not your typical &#8220;relationship&#8221; blog.  While I appreciate the marketing-oriented posts, I think my favorite posts are personal stories from her life, especially when she&#8217;s writing about her experiences as a mother. Here&#8217;s a bit from a good, recent post, entitled <a href="http://interculturaltalk.org/2009/02/02/intercultural-bridges-explaining-the-chinese-new-year-in-english-to-lithuanians/">Intercultural Bridges: Explaining the Chinese New Year in English to Lithuanians</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I took Dillon and one of his classmates to the Chinese New Year parade in Chicago’s Chinatown yesterday.  You have to love culture in an urban environment:  there were dragons and lion dancers and colorful floats from various Asian-American Chambers of Commerce, but also the Irish Shamrock Rovers and marching bands and drill teams from a few area high schools, comprised of mostly African-American students.  What I enjoyed most about the day as we dined at a Chinese restaurant, was my Brazilian/Jewish 7 year old explaining to the out of town visitor from Lithuania at the table next to us, the significance of his brightly colored shirt (good luck) and the red envelopes (to give gifts of money, in even numbers), to the Chinese New Year.</p></blockquote>
<h2><strong>Bengali Wife</strong></h2>
<p><strong><a href="http://bengaliwife.blogspot.com/2009/02/importance-of-good-communication.html"><img class="size-full wp-image-569 alignright" title="bengali-wife" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bengali-wife.bmp" alt="bengali-wife" width="202" height="142" /></a> </strong>Another blog by a white woman in an intercultural marriage with an Indian man &#8211; we&#8217;ll soon be overrunning the world! BengaliWife has been a commenter here for a little while, and she&#8217;s recently started a blog. She has a great story about her rather unusual wedding, but I don&#8217;t want to spoil it, so I&#8217;ll highlight a post from her on cross-cultural communication. Rest assured, though, it has a decidedly different take on the issue from auroracoda&#8217;s! The video had both Adiya and I cracking up, because, well, we&#8217;re immature.</p>
<blockquote><p>Another glitch is language. He is wired to think in Bengali and then translates it into English so sometimes what I say can get lost in translation. Sometimes I can just look at him and see the wheels turning in his brain while he is translating from Bengali to English. It is quite cute actually.</p>
<p>I found this hilarious example of what happens when communication between two intercultural roommates goes awry. Watch and enjoy.</p></blockquote>
<h2 class="title" style="border-width: 0px; background: transparent none repeat scroll 0% 0%;">Communicating with ES2007S friends</h2>
<p><a href="http://jingyangsays.blogspot.com/2009/02/intercultural-differences.html"><img class="size-full wp-image-570 alignleft" title="communicating-with-es2007s-friends" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/communicating-with-es2007s-friends.bmp" alt="communicating-with-es2007s-friends" width="217" height="156" /></a> Finally, here&#8217;s a link that&#8217;s a bit of a cheat &#8211; not because it isn&#8217;t intercultural in nature, but because I&#8217;m actually linking to a ring of blogs. From what I&#8217;ve been able to gather, there&#8217;s an interracial group of Singaporean college students taking a college communication class who have been required by their professor to write about their communication experiences on blogs. Many of the posts relate to intercultural experiences these students have had growing up in a very diverse area where race relations are not always the best ever. I&#8217;ve linked to one of my <a href="http://jingyangsays.blogspot.com/2009/02/intercultural-differences.html">favorite stories by Jing Yang</a>, but I encourage you to check out her blog roll when you have a chance and see what her classmates are saying as well.</p>
<blockquote><p>I think it is almost impossible to talk about culture without touching on the issue of religion. These two concepts cannot be separated as religious beliefs play a very important part in shaping cultural practices. This naturally brought me to think about Singapore, where we have the unique scene of people from different religious and cultural backgrounds living amicably together. Apart from sharing a fundamentally similar pursuit in life , I feel that this wouldn&#8217;t have been possible if Singaporeans were not sensitive to each other&#8217;s cultural differences.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave off here, though I do have loads more of links to share. If I haven&#8217;t mentioned your blog, don&#8217;t dispare &#8211; feel free to talk it up in the comments, and do know that it wasn&#8217;t an intentional snubbing in any way &#8211; I just need to get to bed before I get sick again!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also love to hear about any blogs you guys read that are related (peripherally or otherwise) to the sort of things we discuss here. My <a href="http://www.whatisrss.com/">rss reader</a> is a bit overflowing, but I can always manage to fit in another good blog or two.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">An excellent short documentary on interracial couples by <a href="http://www.timtsaifilms.com/index.html">Tim Tsai</a> featuring four different intercultural marriages in the US.</p>
I was most struck by the first third of the documentary, which focused on the (negative) attitudes that the couples have experienced by being in an interracial marriage. My personal experience has been quite different from that of the couples' in the film. <del datetime="2009-02-16T17:21:36+00:00">I have had very few negative encounters regarding my relationship with Aditya.</del> I have <strong><em>cared</em> </strong>about very few of the negative encounters I've had regarding my relationship with Aditya.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">An excellent short documentary on interracial couples by <a href="http://www.timtsaifilms.com/index.html">Tim Tsai</a> featuring four different intercultural marriages in the US.</p>
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I was most struck by the first third of the documentary, which focused on the (negative) attitudes that the couples have experienced by being in an interracial marriage. My personal experience has been quite different from that of the couples&#8217; in the film. <del datetime="2009-02-16T17:21:36+00:00">I have had very few negative encounters regarding my relationship with Aditya.</del> I have <strong><em>cared</em> </strong>about very few of the negative encounters I&#8217;ve had regarding my relationship with Aditya. <span id="more-518"></span></p>
<p>This might be partially because of geography &#8211; the couples in the documentary are from Central Texas, I believe, while Aditya and I have spent the majority of our time as a couple living in Silicon Valley, metro D.C., and on a small college campus (albeit in rural Indiana). We simply haven&#8217;t had that many encounters where it seemed like people were negatively judging us because we were dating &#8220;across the races&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think it is also partially because, to a large extent, <strong>I just don&#8217;t notice or care about other&#8217;s reactions to me unless they get in my face about it.</strong> I had a discussion regarding this a couple of weeks ago on a post at <a href="http://thegoriwifelife.blogspot.com/2009/01/i-love-my-baygum-and-ammi-knows-it.html">Gori Wife&#8217;s blog</a>. She was writing about how she and her Pakistani husband get stared at all the time when they go out together, especially by other South Asians. I commented that I <em>never</em> notice stares when my husband &amp; I are running around town together &#8211; and it turns out that Aditya &amp; I live <em>only a mile away</em> from the mall where Gori Wife gets stared at! (This may be the final proof that Aditya needs to prove that I am socially incompetent &amp; oblivious.)</p>
<p>Reflecting on this, I&#8217;ve come to wonder how much awareness is a good thing when it comes to the social tensions that intercultural relationships often bring up. Generally my stance on intercultural issues is that <em>more</em> thought and awareness is better. If you don&#8217;t know about a problem, you can&#8217;t fix it <em>or </em>be ready for complications arising from it. Yet I don&#8217;t think my obliviousness to getting stared at by strangers (if it does, in fact, occur) has been a bad thing. I can&#8217;t imagine any negative consequences &#8211; only positive things like less stress and annoyance. Now I&#8217;m wondering &#8211; should I be caring more? Should I notice more?</p>
<p>Anyways, the rest of the documentary is quite interesting, and it slowly becomes more upbeat. The middle portion has a few excellent notes from Dr. Rebecca Bigler of the <a href="http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homepage/group/BiglerLAB/">Gender and Racial Attitudes Lab</a> at U of T on the race perceptions of young children and how media affects our attitudes on the matter. The documentary concludes with the couples telling of how they met &#8211; it&#8217;s beautiful to see how varied and filled with love the relationships are.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The quote I've been considering all weekend:

<em>"The intercultural learner moves amongst cultures, in a process of continual negotiation, learning to cope with the inevitable changes, in a manner that is ultimately empowering and enriching. The home culture is never denied nor demeaned,  yet the intercultural learner will find his or her attitudes and beliefs challenged by contact with others and the process of interaction will lead to the kind of personal growth characterized by 'progressive' curricula."</em> (J. Corbett 2003)

Corbett writes this within the context of explaining good intercultural education, which he describes as neohumanist, for it "places respect for individuals and their many cultures at the heart of its enterprise".

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quote I&#8217;ve been considering all weekend:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;The intercultural learner moves amongst cultures, in a process of continual negotiation, learning to cope with the inevitable changes, in a manner that is ultimately empowering and enriching. The home culture is never denied nor demeaned,  yet the intercultural learner will find his or her attitudes and beliefs challenged by contact with others and the process of interaction will lead to the kind of personal growth characterized by &#8216;progressive&#8217; curricula.&#8221;</em> (J. Corbett 2003)</p>
<p>Corbett writes this within the context of explaining good intercultural education, which he describes as neohumanist, for it &#8220;places respect for individuals and their many cultures at the heart of its enterprise&#8221;.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">My husband and I don't speak a common language. Never have, never will. Sure, I'm a native English-speaker, born &#38; raised in America, and Aditya grew up speaking English both in the home and at school - and he even majored in English Literature at the Midwestern university we both attended. Nonetheless, we will always be shouting to each other across a ravine - a gap created by our different cultures.</p>

Those of your who are in an intercultural relationship - or who interact regularly with people from a different culture, as I discussed <a href="http://gorigirl.com/cross-cultural-connections">last post</a> - know that this gap goes far beyond the ones created by so-called gender wars, "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" talk, the accents or incomplete vocabularies of non-fluent speakers , or even the basic idea from philosophy of language that no person can know exactly what you're thinking in your head. <strong>The culture we grew up with inevitably affects the framework of the world we perceive - and thus the world we communicate to and with.</strong> Lest I end up sounding too pessimistic, however, let me hasten to add that that the difference in world views created by dissimilar cultures isn't <em>insurmountable</em>. Sure, you're never going to completely conquer the gap between two cultures - but every little bit helps!

Today's post is on one of those little bits that help. Or maybe it's a big bit - I'll let you decide.]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: left;">My husband and I don&#8217;t speak a common language. Never have, never will. Sure, I&#8217;m a native English-speaker, born &amp; raised in America, and Aditya grew up speaking English both in the home and at school &#8211; and he even majored in English Literature at the Midwestern university we both attended. Nonetheless, we will always be shouting to each other across a ravine &#8211; a gap created by our different cultures.</p>
<p>Those of your who are in an intercultural relationship &#8211; or who interact regularly with people from a different culture, as I discussed <a href="http://gorigirl.com/cross-cultural-connections">last post</a> &#8211; know that this gap goes far beyond the ones created by so-called gender wars, &#8220;Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus&#8221; talk, the accents or incomplete vocabularies of non-fluent speakers , or even the basic idea from philosophy of language that no person can know exactly what you&#8217;re thinking in your head. <strong>The culture we grew up with inevitably affects the framework of the world we perceive &#8211; and thus the world we communicate to and with.</strong> Lest I end up sounding too pessimistic, however, let me hasten to add that that the difference in world views created by dissimilar cultures isn&#8217;t <em>insurmountable</em>. Sure, you&#8217;re never going to completely conquer the gap between two cultures &#8211; but every little bit helps!</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s post is on one of those little bits that help. Or maybe it&#8217;s a big bit &#8211; I&#8217;ll let you decide.<span id="more-428"></span>Before we get going too far, I admit that my dear husband would probably laugh his socks off if he thought I was claiming expertise in the arena of communication. So, to spare his socks, let&#8217;s be clear: I&#8217;m no professional communicator. What I am, however, is a reliably trained research monkey whose idea of fun is skimming through academic journals and books on all manner of things. And today I&#8217;m writing about something I found in one of those books &#8211; a framework put forth by Dr. Michael Bryam that has helped me tremendously in thinking about &#8211; and <em>doing</em> &#8211; intercultural communication. <strong>This framework organizes the six interrelated skills, attitudes, and knowledge sets &#8211; each a <em>savoir</em> &#8211; which together make up intercultural communicative competence. </strong>The first three are preconditions for any true cross-cultural communication &#8211; without them you&#8217;re lost. The last three are necessary for the successful development of intercultural competence. Let&#8217;s dig in!</p>
<h2><em>Savoirs</em>: knowledge, plain and simple</h2>
<p><em><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/monkeysox/2359348912/"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-442" title="typography by monkeysox" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/typography-by-monkeysox1.jpg" alt="typography by monkeysox" width="307" height="202" /></a>Savoir </em>- without the plural &#8216;s&#8217; &#8211; means &#8220;to be aware&#8221; or &#8220;to know&#8221; in French. <em>Savoirs -</em> with the &#8216;s&#8217; &#8211; is the knowledge dimension of our framework of intercultural communication. This is the background information about a culture or nation  you need to know in order to have a snowball&#8217;s chance of understanding subtle references or remarks. In the US, for example, you often hear the phrase &#8220;he hit that one out of the park&#8221; when someone answers a question particularly eloquently, or otherwise performs well. If your foreign friend didn&#8217;t know the first thing about baseball and home runs, that idiom would make little to no sense to him &#8211; and communication stops when you use it. And thus you fail <em>savoirs </em>in not one, but two ways &#8211; not knowing what <em>his </em>culture consists of, and failing to realize the unique facets of your <em>own</em>. There&#8217;s two cultures being represented in the conversation, and you need to know about both.</p>
<p>However, <em>savoirs </em>is more than just that. Beyond knowing the nitty gritty about a culture &#8211; the gestures, symbols, values, &#8220;high&#8221; culture,&#8221;low&#8221; culture and so forth of the person you&#8217;re trying to communicate interculturally with, <em>savoirs</em> also requires you to understand meta-culture. What are the things that make up any culture? Where are the areas you&#8217;re most likely to misstep with the particular person you&#8217;re talking to? What are the things you <em>don&#8217;t</em> know about this person&#8217;s culture? Or, as Bryam defines it,  <strong><em>savoirs</em> is &#8220;knowledge about social groups and their cultures in one&#8217;s own country, and similar knowledge of the interlocutor&#8217;s country on one hand, and similar knowledge of the processes and interaction at the individual and societal levels, on the other hand.&#8221;</strong></p>
<h2><em>Savoir s&#8217;engager</em>: critical engagement</h2>
<p><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/inocuo/1275209494/"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-445" title="untitled by inocuo" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/untitled-by-inocuo.jpg" alt="untitled by inocuo" width="280" height="186" /></a>Critical engagement &#8211; or <em>savoir s&#8217;engager -</em> is the second of the requirements for any sort of true intercultural communication. <strong>It&#8217;s defined as &#8220;a critical engagement with the foreign culture under consideration and one&#8217;s own&#8221;</strong> by Bryam, but I like to think of it as being willing to jump off the high dive &#8211; and hope you stick the landing. Basically, it&#8217;s holding the general disposition that you&#8217;re going into a discussion with a person from another culture with eyes wide open and ready to critically think about whatever gets tossed up to you.  Generally, I think this attitude is one that everyone should make an effort to have everyday &#8211; but it&#8217;s especially important in a cross-cultural setting where closing your eyes to the true differences &#8211; and similarities &#8211; in cultures will mean inevitable confusion and failure to understand one another.</p>
<h2><em>Savoir </em><em>ê</em><em>tre</em>: critical openness</h2>
<p><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/alicepopkorn/2971831831/"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-447" title="free by alicepopkorn" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/free-by-alicepopkorn.jpg" alt="free by alicepopkorn" width="240" height="160" /></a>Bryam defines <strong><em>savoir</em><em> ê</em><em>tre </em>as &#8220;the capacity and willingness to abandon ethnocentric attitudes and perceptions and the ability to establish and maintain a relationship between one&#8217;s own and the foreign culture&#8221;.</strong> Quite the mouthful, eh? I initially had some difficulty understanding &#8211; and accepting &#8211; this <em>savoir</em>, as I very much believe in a concrete right &amp; wrong, independent of culture. I thought that Bryam&#8217;s definition was calling for me to give up this view. But then I realized that <em>savoir </em><em>ê</em><em>tre </em>is really just the other side of the coin from <em>savoir </em><em>s&#8217;engager &#8211; </em>where one calls for you to be critically engaged in the idea of culture while communicating interculturally, the other calls for you to be open to the <em>ideas</em> of the other culture. <em>Savoir </em><em>s&#8217;engager </em>says to look about yourself sharply, but <em>savoir </em><em>ê</em><em>tre </em>requires you to not look about <em>so</em> <em>sharply</em> that all you see is things to criticize.  That doesn&#8217;t mean that there might not be some things worthy of criticism in a foreign culture (there&#8217;s no such thing as a perfect culture, just like there&#8217;s no such thing as a perfect human) &#8211; but you should also open to the good things that every culture holds. If all you can express is criticism, the problem lies  with you and your lack of <em>savoir </em><em>ê</em><em>tre</em>, not the culture. And you can expect that your unwillingness to budge away from your ethnocentrism will stop members of that culture from even attempting to communicate with you.</p>
<h2><em>Savoir apprendre</em>: skill of discovery</h2>
<p><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/1868330722/"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-450" title="to boldly go by jurvetson" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/to-boldly-go-by-jurvetson-300x270.jpg" alt="to boldly go by jurvetson" width="270" height="243" /></a><em>Apprendre </em>is better translated as &#8220;learn&#8221; or &#8220;learning&#8221;, I believe, but discovery better fits the flavor of the idea that Bryam is trying to get across. He defines <strong><em>savoir apprendre</em> as &#8220;the capacity to learn cultures and assign meaning to cultural phenomena in an independent way.&#8221;</strong> In other words, kicking yourself in the butt to explore a culture actively, rather than wanting things spoon-fed to you. Of course, if you somehow manage to get some basic knowledge, and you have the critical attitudes I discussed above, you don&#8217;t <em>have</em> to independently explore a new culture to hold a reasonable discourse. But you aren&#8217;t going to <em>improve </em>your communications skills by sitting like a stick in the mud either. If your goal is to be a truly competent intercultural communicator, you have to be able &#8211; and willing &#8211; to explore foreign terrain on your own, to engage others through interaction. Your significant other, friend, or teacher won&#8217;t always be there to translate new-to-you cultural phenomena.</p>
<h2><em>Savoir comprendre</em>: skill of understanding</h2>
<p><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/kimota/105783011/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-449 alignright" title="notturno by gualtiero" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/notturno-by-gualtiero-300x285.jpg" alt="notturno by gualtiero" width="210" height="200" /></a></p>
<p>This is likely the simplest of the <em>savoirs </em>in definition &#8211; <strong>&#8220;the capacity to interpret and relate cultures&#8221;</strong> &#8211; but one of the hardest to master. Luckily, it&#8217;s also what you&#8217;re taught to do in your formal education &#8211; take information, and then interpret it, analyze it, and place it within a larger context. Basically, it&#8217;s a research paper, but applied to the culture you&#8217;re interacting with, not your English lit text. Of course, in order to have material to ponder, you&#8217;ll first need to discover it through <em>savoir </em><em>apprendre. </em>But the payoff of learning to learn in a new setting is always worth it &#8211; as you understand a culture and then incorporate your understanding of a culture into your communications, they discussion you have will grow much, much richer.</p>
<h2><em>Savoir faire</em>: knowing what to do</h2>
<p><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/emdot/27488250/"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-452" title="girl talk by emdot" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/girl-talk-by-emdot-300x234.jpg" alt="girl talk by emdot" width="300" height="234" /></a> Finally, we&#8217;re left with the one that wraps it all up:<strong> <em>savior faire</em>, which is &#8220;the overall ability to act in an interculturally competent way in intercultural contact situations.&#8221;</strong> Other possible translations are &#8220;don&#8217;t put your foot in your mouth&#8221;, &#8220;don&#8217;t freeze&#8221; and above else, &#8220;be cool.&#8221; If you&#8217;ve developed the five other <em>savoirs </em>in your quest to be a good intercultural communicator, <em>savoir faire</em> is applying them to an actual, real-time interaction with others from another culture, and succeding beautifully.</p>
<p>So there we all are &#8211; the six components. Going through these, step-by-step, has helped me realize what areas I need to work on in order to improve my interactions with both my Indian husband, Aditya, and all my crazy non-American coworkers (I&#8217;m totally a freezer! Also not big on going out into the wilds to discover new stuff!). I hope it&#8217;s helped you a bit too. And I&#8217;d love to hear what others think of this framework &#8211; it&#8217;s not the only one the intercultural academics have come up with, but it&#8217;s certainly the most detailed one. So, valid? Not valid? Missing a key part of the way <em>you</em> think of intercultural communication? Too theoretical?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I share my office with a Chinese-American man. My team at work consists of said office mate, an Indian-American (Gujarati) guy, a Turkish fellow, a white dude from the Midwest, my Taiwanese female boss, and three Indians in our Delhi office (two Mr.'s and a Ms.). The offices closest to mine include said Turkish fellow, a Bangladeshi bloke, an Indian (Bengali) lady, a Ghanaian-American gent, a French woman, and a Nepalese chap. <em>Really.</em> For those of you keeping count, that's two Caucasian Americans (including myself) out of fourteen folk. With numbers like those, as you may guess, I don't talk to white Americans all that much while at work. (Or women, either - but that's what you get for working in a field dominated by economists and engineers.) However, even when I step outside the office, I've found that I don't interact with a many people - or, really, more than a handful of people -  who appear to be from the same general cultural &#38; racial background as my own. Frankly, it's a little odd now that I think about it.]]></description>
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I share my office with a Chinese-American man. My team at work consists of said office mate, an Indian-American (Gujarati) guy, a Turkish fellow, a white dude from the Midwest, my Taiwanese female boss, and three Indians in our Delhi office (two Mr.&#8217;s and a Ms.). The offices closest to mine include said Turkish fellow, a Bangladeshi bloke, an Indian (Bengali) lady, a Ghanaian-American gent, a French woman, and a Nepalese chap. <em>Really.</em> For those of you keeping count, that&#8217;s two Caucasian Americans (including myself) out of fourteen folk. With numbers like th&gt;ose, as you may guess, I don&#8217;t talk to white Americans all that much while at work. (Or women, either &#8211; but that&#8217;s what you get for working in a field dominated by economists and engineers.) However, even when I step outside the office, I&#8217;ve found that I don&#8217;t interact with a many people &#8211; or, really, more than a handful of people -  who appear to be from the same general cultural &amp; racial background as my own. Frankly, it&#8217;s a little odd now that I think about it.<span id="more-349"></span></p>
<p>Most of the blame for this &#8220;situation&#8221;, so to speak, <em>could</em> simply be laid at the feet of circumstance or chance &#8211; we happen to live in a very multicultural area, participate in activities that naturally bring a diverse crowd, and my choice of careers was more due to, you know, the <em>job</em> I would be doing than the diversity of people at my office. But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s as simple as chance &#8211; the choices Aditya and I have made both individually and as a couple, as well as our prior experiences, have made an outcome like this probable.</p>
<p>So.  This past week I&#8217;ve been thinking more about cross-cultural connections <em>outside</em> of my intercultural marriage with Aditya. How do these two spheres of life &#8211; home &amp; husband and outside work &amp; community &#8211; interact with each other? There&#8217;s no doubt that my relationship with Aditya has given me a fair bit of traction with the South Asians I run into &#8211; but how has it affected my relationships with people from other cultures? And how has working with an office full of immigrants and different cultures changed my marriage?</p>
<p>Obviously, the answers to these questions will be complex &#8211; which is why I&#8217;ll be discussing my thoughts on this subject in a series of posts. But the keystone to my ideas lies in the lovely concept of <strong>intercultural communicative competence</strong>. This term was developed as part of an effort by theorists of foreign language instruction a decade ago, and has slowly been evolving in the intercultural studies academic community. The initial discussions of this topic related to how instructors could teach their language learners how to <em>communicate</em> in a foreign language with real, live foreign people &#8211; not just speak a bunch of funny-sounding words. Mostly it involved learning the specifics of the culture associated with the language &#8211; things like &#8220;Germans are überpunctual &#8211; if you&#8217;re on time, you&#8217;re actually late.&#8221; Since then, though, the idea has expanded to incorporate both the specific knowledge <em>and </em>the skill set that all people who interact cross-culturally &#8211; i.e. <strong>intercultural learners</strong> &#8211; need to have to be successful, whether they&#8217;re speaking a foreign tongue or not.</p>
<p>This skill set is what I believe translates back and forth between my relationship with Aditya and my cross-cultural relationships out in the community &#8211; and each one is strengthened by the other. Next I&#8217;ll start delving into the specifics of what constitutes competent intercultural learning, but before then I&#8217;d love to hear what everyone&#8217;s initial thoughts on this matter are. Do you have many cross-cultural connections out in your community or workplace? Do you think it&#8217;s affected your closer personal relationship with a friend or significant other from another culture? Anyone else feel like they work for the U.N.?</p>
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		<title>ESL Tutoring &#8211; or How We Met</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gori Girl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I've never heard the story behind this photograph, although I know it was taken Aditya's first year of college, and I'm willing to guess that the  <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">crossdressing</span> costume was somehow part of the International Student Association's annual Bazaar. Oh, how his past comes back to haunt him<span style="color: #ff0000;">***</span>

Aditya's a year older than me, so depending on when this picture was taken I was either finishing up my last semester of high school (I graduated a semester early) or already working in Germany as an Au-Pair. Before leaving for Germany I went through the college application rigmarole, and ended up choosing the same small midwestern liberal arts college that Aditya was <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">crossdressing</span> studying at. Yes, you guessed it - we met in college.

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I&#8217;ve never heard the story behind this photograph, although I know it was taken Aditya&#8217;s first year of college, and I&#8217;m willing to guess that the  <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">crossdressing</span> costume was somehow part of the International Student Association&#8217;s annual Bazaar. Oh, how his past comes back to haunt him<span style="color: #ff0000;">***</span></p>
<p>Aditya&#8217;s a year older than me, so depending on when this picture was taken I was either finishing up my last semester of high school (I graduated a semester early) or already working in Germany as an Au-Pair. Before leaving for Germany I went through the college application rigmarole, and ended up choosing the same small midwestern liberal arts college that Aditya was <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">crossdressing</span> studying at. Yes, you guessed it &#8211; we met in college.</p>
<p>Well, sort of.<span id="more-245"></span>Initially, I was suppose to start school in the fall, like the other freshman. But I was having such a blast in Germany that I wanted to stay as long as possible. So I begged and pleaded with the college&#8217;s financial aid and admissions department, and convinced them to let me start a semester late by promising to finish up my degree on time anyways, which would mean that they would only need to give me money for three and a half years rather than four.  As the Germans say, &#8220;hauptsache, die Kohle stimmit!&#8221; (Literally, &#8220;the main thing is that the coal is right&#8221; &#8211; Germans have difficultly distinguishing fossil fuels from money at times.)</p>
<p>That following summer, when I took breaks from my daily activity of running after crazy blond Teutonic children on cobbled, picturesque streets &#8211; ah Germany, how I miss you &#8211; I would occasionally go onto my university&#8217;s forum for incoming students. The forums were a place where the freshman class could &#8220;meet&#8221; online before arriving on campus, and have questions answered by both university admissions people and upperclassmen. Aditya was on campus that summer, as his family didn&#8217;t have enough money for a flight back to India, so he took his turn answering questions from anxious eighteen-year-olds on the forums. And that is where we first &#8220;met&#8221;.</p>
<p>See, as an international student, Aditya was especially focused on answering the questions of the incoming students from abroad. At one point he made a thread about fluency requirements in English &#8211; and how the International Center would help bring struggling students up to speed. Before leaving for Germany I had tutored ESL students at the college &amp; high school level as a volunteer, and I was working with a high school English class in Germany, so I jumped right into that thread and volunteered my help to any internationals who might need still need some help by the time I finally arrived in the US the following January. Aditya responded with some details, and boom, we were in a conversation!</p>
<p>A few days later the family I was working for went on vacation to the Rhineland and invited me along, and I forgot all about some Indian dude in the Midwest. And then classes started and the forum withered away.</p>
<p>We didn&#8217;t exchange words online again until the winter holiday break, when I was back in the States preparing to finally go to college. Aditya was trapped in the dreary little town of our university, with another international student as a temporary roommate for the holidays. And this roommate, who will remain unnamed, would apparently not shut up from morning until night unless Aditya could plead &#8220;conversation&#8221; with someone else online. And that is how I ended up being used as a human shield by my now-husband &#8211; we chatted on AIM so that he wouldn&#8217;t have to talk to his annoying roommate. So romantic!</p>
<p>Finally, January came around, and I was off to college, all fired up to experience this &#8220;snowy Midwest&#8221; I had always heard about. I still chatted with Aditya on occasion on AIM, but our paths didn&#8217;t cross in person. About two weeks into classes, though, Aditya mentioned that he was about to head over to my dorm to play ping-pong with a Bulgarian freshman, Ivan, who lived the floor beneath me &#8211; apparently our dorm had the best ping-pong tables on the campus (trust the international students to know this!). He said he&#8217;d stop by to say hi in person, and I believe I replied with &#8220;cool,&#8221; and continued to surf the net in my scruffy pjs. About ten minutes later, there was a knock on the door. Aditya was there with his ping-pong paddle in hand. We said hi, my roommate and him talked about a jello-eating contest they had both participated in the previous fall &#8211; ah Midwest, how I miss you-, and then Aditya said that he had to go play ping-pong (actually, he had to go be humiliated by Ivan &#8211; Ivan had mad skills at ping-pong &amp; soccer). We had talked in person for maybe two, three minutes, then off he trotted. And that was that.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tale for the ages, really.</p>
<p>Oh, and here&#8217;s the full size picture of Aditya in all his kimono glory:<br />
<a href="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/abhi-blackmail1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-247" title="abhi-blackmail1" src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/abhi-blackmail1.jpg" alt="" width="453" height="604" /></a></p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">***</span><span style="font-size: .75em;">I&#8217;m speaking of Aditya&#8217;s relatively recent past &#8211; as in two days ago &#8211; when, after arriving in California for a business trip, he made a special phone call to me just to inform me that it was 72 degrees there, and bright and sunny. Bastard. Americans call this &#8220;payback&#8221;. </span></p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aasif Mandvi can't do a very convincing "Indian" accent (at least to my ears), but his delivery is typically spot on - and this bit had be cracking up. I've always loved how the Daily Show dealt with "minority issues". They aren't afraid to take on the discussion seriously, and they aren't afraid to skewer that same discussion when it turns ridiculous as it so often does in our media. They don't hit the mark every time, but when they do, it's brilliant, as when Stewart, reporting on Obama's race speech, said, ""and at 11:00 on a Tuesday, a prominent politician spoke to Americans about race as though they were adults."

Hat tip to Ennis over at <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005584.html">Septia Mutiny</a>, who is wondering if Gupta's nomination gives Mandvi a bit of job security for a few years.]]></description>
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<p>Aasif Mandvi can&#8217;t do a very convincing &#8220;Indian&#8221; accent (at least to my ears), but his delivery is typically spot on &#8211; and this bit had be cracking up. I&#8217;ve always loved how the Daily Show dealt with &#8220;minority issues&#8221;. They aren&#8217;t afraid to take on the discussion seriously, and they aren&#8217;t afraid to skewer that same discussion when it turns ridiculous as it so often does in our media. They don&#8217;t hit the mark every time, but when they do, it&#8217;s brilliant, as when Stewart, reporting on Obama&#8217;s race speech, said, &#8220;&#8221;and at 11:00 on a Tuesday, a prominent politician spoke to Americans about race as though they were adults.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hat tip to Ennis over at <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005584.html">Septia Mutiny</a>, who is wondering if Gupta&#8217;s nomination gives Mandvi a bit of job security for a few years.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gori Girl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was <em>really</em> early in the morning, you see, when the dogs informed us that they needed to go out. My turn to let them out, unfortunately, but afterwards the three of us agreed the hike back upstairs was too long, so we settled on the couch for a nap until the sun was properly up. Well, Kajol - a total snugglebunny - and I settled on the couch, and Panda slept on the cool floor next to us.

Panda Bear is the latest addition to our family, and, as an Alaskan Malamute, he tends to be a bit too warm to snuggle comfortably for that long indoors. He's about two and a half years old, and another rescue dog - poor pup spent most of his life tied in a field with grass so high he couldn't see out of it before Animal Cruelty rescued him. When he came to us he was twenty pounds underweight and didn't know what a treat was or how to play with another dog. He's still a bit of a failure with treats - he's excited to get one, but just drops it afterwards for Kajol to eat. Kajol, however, has taught him to play like a champion at the only game she knows: wrestling. We often look out onto the deck to see Kajol's head disappearing into Panda's massive jaw, or him just calmly sitting on Kajol while she struggles to get free.

They're a well-matched pair, despite being from such different breeds - and I suppose there's a semi-corny lesson in there for all of us in an intercultural relationship, or, really, any mixed relationship where looks or personalities or abilities differ.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/Kajol-and-Panda.jpg"><img src="http://gorigirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/Kajol-and-Panda.jpg" alt="" title="Kajol and Panda" width="540" height="210" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1553" /></a>It was <em>really</em> early in the morning, you see, when the dogs informed us that they needed to go out. My turn to let them out, unfortunately, but afterwards the three of us agreed the hike back upstairs was too long, so we settled on the couch for a nap until the sun was properly up. Well, Kajol &#8211; a total snugglebunny &#8211; and I settled on the couch, and Panda slept on the cool floor next to us.</p>
<p>Panda Bear is the latest addition to our family, and, as an Alaskan Malamute, he tends to be a bit too warm to snuggle comfortably for that long indoors. He&#8217;s about two and a half years old, and another rescue dog &#8211; poor pup spent most of his life tied in a field with grass so high he couldn&#8217;t see out of it before Animal Cruelty rescued him. When he came to us he was twenty pounds underweight and didn&#8217;t know what a treat was or how to play with another dog. He&#8217;s still a bit of a failure with treats &#8211; he&#8217;s excited to get one, but just drops it afterwards for Kajol to eat. Kajol, however, has taught him to play like a champion at the only game she knows: wrestling. We often look out onto the deck to see Kajol&#8217;s head disappearing into Panda&#8217;s massive jaw, or him just calmly sitting on Kajol while she struggles to get free.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re a well-matched pair, despite being from such different breeds &#8211; and I suppose there&#8217;s a semi-corny lesson in there for all of us in an intercultural relationship, or, really, any mixed relationship where looks or personalities or abilities differ.<span id="more-195"></span></p>
<p>Panda&#8217;s main weakness &#8211; a general shyness and fear of new things and people, due to his poor socialization as a young dog &#8211; has never been a problem for Kajol. The first few times I went hiking with them poor Panda was scared silly of water crossings and rock scrambles, while Kajol is fearlessness personified while on the trail. He follows her lead there, and also when we go shopping at some of the dog-friendly stores in the area. It&#8217;d be hilarious to see a Malamute quaking in fear of a shopping cart at Petco, if it weren&#8217;t a sad reminder of of his history.</p>
<p>Panda&#8217;s strengths, though, are one&#8217;s we wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing Kajol emulate. He&#8217;s an incredibly <em>chill</em> dog &#8211; very easy-going and relaxed when he&#8217;s in familar surroundings. Kajol, on the other hand, still has puppy-brain, and has been known to clear the sofa <em>and</em> coffee table in one bound when excited. She&#8217;s starting to take her cues from him, though. Recently she jumped on Aditya in excitement and Panda growled in disapproval &#8211; and Kajol didn&#8217;t jump on Aditya for the following week. She also likes to stick close by him when out on walks.</p>
<p>As far as how <em>our</em> mixed relationship affects the dogs &#8211; well, it doesn&#8217;t, much.  Aditya claims that they know more Bengali than I, which is patently false &#8211; I&#8217;m <em>sure</em> they&#8217;re just responding to the tone of his voice, not the words. *grin* We&#8217;re both on the same page as far as training is concerned, and we share the responsibilities of care and upkeep, like any modern couple with their pups.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit to being a bit worried about training when Aditya&#8217;s parents came for a long visit &#8211; this was pre-Panda. But that&#8217;s another post.</p>
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